• TiredThinker
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    From google disassociation is defined as:

    "Disconnection and lack of continuity between thoughts, memories, surroundings, actions, and identity."

    Now keeping this more general definition in mind and steering clear of psychiatry disorders, isn't it fair to say our thoughts can't have perfect continuity, and our ability of connecting similar things in a meaningful way is relative? Or can disassociation be a measure of creativity or an extention to logic that other people simply don't understand, but can still be purposeful?

    I think of one of my favorite bits from Futurama and think our ability to connect two things can always be closer, but usually we can't measure how close they are as something else seems to always be conceivable.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q-RUHhCzgxI
  • Agent Smith
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    Saltus in demonstrando (leap in explaining).

    Definition: A leap in logic, by which a necessary part of an equation is omitted.

    I've always had difficulty in distinguishing

    1. Isn't true

    From

    2. I haven't yet found the/a proof

    Vide argumentum ad ignorantiam & the divine fallacy (I feel they're relevant somehow).
  • Cuthbert
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    Whenever I eat a madeleine cake I'm reminded of my over-privileged upbringing in the withered remains of late nineteenth century French aristocracy.
  • Joshs
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    isn't it fair to say our thoughts can't have perfect continuity, and our ability of connecting similar things in a meaningful way is relative? Or can disassociation be a measure of creativity or an extention to logic that other people simply don't understand, but can still be purposeful?TiredThinker

    The experience of disassociation is another name for confusion and unintelligibility. This is only creative if it motivates us to find ways of relating what is incoherent.
  • Joshs
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    I've always had difficulty in distinguishing

    1. Isn't true

    From

    2. I haven't yet found the/a proof
    Agent Smith

    You willl never find a proof for the pattens of relationship that matter most in our lives, since they are designed not to replicate static facts , but as channels for anticipating and organizing dynamically changing aspects of the world.
  • TiredThinker
    831
    As far as disassociation as a disease symptom there is also depersonalization-derealization. If disassociation can only mean confusion can one imagine things seeming more real versus confusing? Ultra real where everything seems super clear, and nobody can deny that person's lucidity?

    Maybe disassociation was a poor word since it is psychiatric. Just in general there will always be a closer association between any two things or concepts so it is relative?
  • Josh Alfred
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    There is a discontinuity of thought that gives one a sense of freedom.

    I can imagine realms of insanity, where impoverished continuity may result in dysfunctional or non-functional behavior, as in the case of some psychotics. The mind demands continuity between events so as not to writhe into craze.

    Some times continuity is relative other times it is mutual. When giving out commands, the communication must be shared, the continuity mutual, or else the event can not happen as desired.

    “Please get me a cup of water,” any rational adult knowing English can understand and form a method for putting their thoughts into motion. The command has a continuity to it. “Please leaf the willow tree into sausage,” is obviously a discontinuity, that and nonsense. Both examples give one the distinction.

    Here is an article https://theologiansinc.wordpress.com/2013/10/27/chesterton-hume-contingency-and-causality/ I would suggest reading more on Hume to get a better understanding of the philosophy of continuity. One could also think in comparative terms of chaos theory and methodological science, though I know of no formulated comparison.
  • Agent Smith
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    You willl never find a proof for the pattens of relationship that matter most in our lives, since they are designed not to replicate static facts , but as channels for anticipating and organizing dynamically changing aspects of the worldJoshs

    Gracias for the warning but as they say "never say never ... "
  • L'éléphant
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    Sorry. I don't understand this thread at all.
  • TiredThinker
    831


    Thanks. I will read more hume. Chaos theory more physics or is there a philosophy version I should look for?
  • Agent Smith
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    Sorry. I don't understand this thread at all.L'éléphant

    Isn't that the gist of the OP, mon ami?
  • L'éléphant
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    Isn't that the gist of the OP, mon ami?Agent Smith
    Sharp!!
  • Agent Smith
    9.5k
    Sharp!!L'éléphant

    You jest of course!
  • L'éléphant
    1.5k
    You jest of course!Agent Smith
    Non. C'est vrai.
  • Agent Smith
    9.5k


    Il est facile de voir que [...] — Pierre-Simon Laplace
  • TiredThinker
    831
    I posted in bio forum too. I am curious what brain function makes a person convinced the world is less real.

    Are you both French? I think I've seen Agent Smith speak it often enough.
  • Agent Smith
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    As far as I can see, people aren't convinced the world isn't real. Skepticism doesn't work that way - all it does is raise a possibility, an alternative to what we (think we) know and then shows how the two are adiaphora (indistinguishable). That means pragmata (stuff, sensu amplissimo) are anepikrita (undecidable). What follows is aporia (bewilderment) which leads to ataraxia (tranquility).

    No, I'm not French, but I wish I was :chin: ; just watched too much Hercule Poirot, that's all.
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