It's about Jesus' authority and there is this: — Tom Storm
For God commanded, ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘Whoever reviles father or mother must surely die.’ Matthew 15:4 — Art48
What does the Old Testament have to do with Jesus' authority? — Tate
His authority derives from prophesy in the Old Testament - kind of the point of the narrative. — Tom Storm
Hence the circular relationship between testaments — Tom Storm
There's no circular relationship. Jesus is supposed by Christians to have ended or fulfilled the Mosaic Law. It was replaced by a New Covenant. This, as I pointed out, is standard doctrine for both Catholics and Protestants. — Tate
Care to try again?
— ThinkOfOne
No, I think we can move on. Take care.
— Tom Storm
The circular relationship refers to Jesus 'using' words from the Old Testament to establish his connection to prophecy and continuity with Yahweh. The New Testament makes frequent use of the Old Testament to establish Jesus' credentials. — Tom Storm
It is the only bit of moral teaching that is not explicit in classical philosophy. — Banno
Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God. (Luke 6:20)
Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. (Matthew 19:23)
Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. (Matthew 19:23)
This is not what Jesus himself believed and taught! This was his reply to Pharisees who asked him "Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders?", referring them to their own scriptures.• For God commanded, ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘Whoever reviles father or mother must surely die.’ Matthew 15:4 — Art48
How can Jesus ever say or think such a thing at the moment he was agains killing? — Alkis Piskas
You shall not kill; and whoever kills will be liable to judgment. (5:20)
The background here is Jesus vs Pharisees. I have made that clear. I gave two references on that.The background here is likely to be the dispute between Paul and Jesus' disciples regarding the Law. — Fooloso4
The background here is Jesus vs Pharisees. — Alkis Piskas
Yet, I couldn't find where does the statement "Whoever reviles father or mother must surely die" exactly refer to in the Old Testament. — Alkis Piskas
The prohibition against killing is one of the ten commandments ... It is the second clause, which does not appear in the Hebrew Bible ... — Fooloso4
• For God commanded, ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘Whoever reviles father or mother must surely die.’ Matthew 15:4 — Art48
This is not what Jesus himself believed and taught! — Alkis Piskas
This is not something I have thought about before. — Fooloso4
there are three things that identify a move from a philosophical enquiry to mere theology:
claiming that god is the answer to a philosophical question
using scripture, revelation or other religious authority in an argument
entering into a philosophical argument in bad faith. — Banno
What pisses me off about threads such as this is that, from a philosophical vantage, if Jesus is a great moral teacher, then we ought be able to cite his great moral teachings. Hence my comment about charity. — Banno
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