Our reason tells us to suffer almost anything to avoid death. — Bartricks
Most interesting. — Ms. Marple
At what time are the harms of death visited upon us? They are visited precisely when death itself is visited upon us and not a moment earlier or later. . . . Not later - because after death we are beyond the harm of losing life and its benefits, having already lost them. — Cuthbert
If I harmed him - and there is no question I did - yet antemortem benefitted him, then the harm I did to him was postmortem. — Bartricks
I believe that the majority of the harms that death visits on a person are post-mortem. Why? Because the ante-mortem harms seem relatively insignificant compared to the harmfulness of death — Bartricks
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You clearly don't understand the case I have made at all. — Bartricks
don't relabel some inadequate harms 'point of death' harms and think that will solve anything. How? — Bartricks
The fact is that you are talking about antemortem harms and they are just not big enough to do the job. — Bartricks
It's like distinguishing between harm suffered on monday and harm suffered on tuesday.
It responds to the OP claim that if harms are not ante-mortem then they are post-mortem. It shows that it's a false dichotomy and that there is a third possibility. — Cuthbert
So, once more, it obviously harms a person to kill them, and it harms them even if it deprives them of nothing - hell, it harms them even if it benefits them by depriving them of some great suffering. — Bartricks
Now, she was not deprived of anything worth having. But she suffered about the same harm as Susan, yes? That's because the main harm is the intense agony they suffered, not the harms of deprivation. — Bartricks
The fact is that the harms that would accrue to you at taht point are trivial — Bartricks
You consistently seem to miss the point. — Bartricks
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