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So when Jesus says in John:
Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Are they words attributed to Jesus or the mythology? — Fooloso4
Those would be words attributed to Jesus. — ThinkOfOne
Those would be words attributed to Jesus.
— ThinkOfOne
Right, but are part of John's mythology wrapped around the words attributed to him. — Fooloso4
I would like to know what people think of C.S. Lewis's argument for the divinity of Christ. — Dermot Griffin
That there is a man who is "the way" is a myth. A man who is "the truth" is a myth. A man who is "the life" is a myth. That "no one comes to the Father except through [this man]"is a myth. — Fooloso4
I would like to know what people think of C.S. Lewis's argument for the divinity of Christ
— Dermot Griffin
It's a terrible argument, because it treats elements of Gospel narratives as established fact. Anyone who accepts the Gospels is already convinced. Anyone who doesn't accept them will reject the premises that Jesus made the statements. — Relativist
Since Jesus insisted that the myths he pushed are real, he MAY have been a lunatic or a liar. — god must be atheist
You ALSO can't reasonably conclude that Jesus DID NOT say X, Y, or Z. This is the point you seem to fail to grasp. — ThinkOfOne
One thing is clear, although John's Jesus, Paul's Jesus, and the Jesus of the Synoptic gospels have a common thread, the Messiah, they are not the same Jesus. — Fooloso4
That there is a man who is "the way" is a myth. A man who is "the truth" is a myth. A man who is "the life" is a myth. That "no one comes to the Father except through [this man]"is a myth. If you argue that Jesus is not just a man, then you accept the myth. — Fooloso4
I don't know if Jesus thought he was the or a messiah. — Fooloso4
Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. — Fooloso4
That there is a man who is "the way" is a myth. A man who is "the truth" is a myth. A man who is "the life" is a myth. That "no one comes to the Father except through [this man]"is a myth. — Fooloso4
Jesus is speaking figuratively. — ThinkOfOne
If you accept what you say, then every impossible thing Jesus said is "figurative", and only those that we accept today are literal. — god must be atheist
That there is a man who is "the way" is a myth. A man who is "the truth" is a myth. A man who is "the life" is a myth. That "no one comes to the Father except through [this man]"is a myth. If you argue that Jesus is not just a man, then you accept the myth.
— Fooloso4
Jesus is speaking figuratively. — ThinkOfOne
Jesus is speaking figuratively. — ThinkOfOne
Jesus is speaking figuratively.
— ThinkOfOne
So what does he mean by these figures of speech? What is he actually claiming? — Fooloso4
What my point is, is that it is irrelevant for my argument whether Jesus thought he was the Messiah. My point is that he pushed a myth ... — god must be atheist
Putting it together it, the point Jesus is making is that:
“no one comes to the Father except through [the way, the truth and the life]". — ThinkOfOne
Putting it together it, the point Jesus is making is that:
“no one comes to the Father except through [the way, the truth and the life]".
— ThinkOfOne
And, as you say, the way, the truth, the life = Jesus. You have not said anything that is not evident in the statement from John. You have not identified what is figurative in the statement. It is a straightforward claim. Calling it figurative is a smokescreen. — Fooloso4
He is figuratively "the way". — ThinkOfOne
He is figuratively "the way".
— ThinkOfOne
And what does this mean?
A figure of speech is not without meaning. — Fooloso4
There are many types of figurative language. — ThinkOfOne
The meaning of "I" is "the way, the truth and the life". — ThinkOfOne
he puts love center stage. — Moses
You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength. (Deuteronomy 6:5)
... love your neighbor as yourself. (Leviticus 19:18)
Jews love to debate — Moses
JC is firm and he speaks with an insane degree of certainty — Moses
So, the way, the truth and the life is the way, the truth and the life?
— Fooloso4
The question remains: what is the way, the truth and the life? A tautology does not provide an answer. — Fooloso4
Right, and he cites the Hebrew Bible as his authority: — Fooloso4
which debated the ontological status of Jesus. — Fooloso4
As the insane often do. — Fooloso4
"I am the way, the truth and the life" is an equivalency just as "Time is money" is an equivalency. — ThinkOfOne
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