It’s not overpopulation. When 7% of the global population are responsible for 50% of carbon emissions— I don’t think “overpopulation” is the problem. — Xtrix
Except that’s a myth.
It’s not overpopulation. When 7% of the global population are responsible for 50% of carbon emissions— I don’t think “overpopulation” is the problem. — Xtrix
It is not only the carbon emissions that the overpopulation causes... arable land use, water use, depleting natural resources. — god must be atheist
B. is that 100% of the population is responsible for 100% of human-caused carbon emissions. — god must be atheist
Therefore I say, QED, that the biggest problem mankind faces is the trend of humans to propagate their numbers unchecked. — god must be atheist
which is that the behavior of a small percentage of the world population is responsible for most problems. — Xtrix
I assume you mean by "small percentage of the world population" the highly civilized nations (HCN), to which millions flee, desperate to be admitted, for the promises of a better life. — jgill
Were it not for the HCNs life would be barbaric with early deaths from disease and injuries. Look at the American Indians. — jgill
“Overpopulation” doesn’t cause any of those things. — Xtrix
A small percentage of the world is responsible for carbon emissions — Xtrix
Overpopulation is an abstraction. Blaming the worlds problem on this abstraction is a useful ploy to divert from the reality — which is that the behavior of a small percentage of the world population is responsible for most problems. — Xtrix
7% of the global population are responsible for 50% of carbon emissions — Xtrix
It’s not overpopulation. When 7% of the global population are responsible for 50% of carbon emissions— I don’t think “overpopulation” is the problem.
— Xtrix
You're right. There's a certain kind of lifestyle that's putting out CO2 way out of proportion to other forms. — Tate
So... tell me, if overpopulation does not cause the shortages of water, arable land and natural resources that humanity uses... then what causes them. — god must be atheist
Now you say that the 7% is responsible for 100% of carbon emissions. — god must be atheist
How is overpopulation an abstraction? People are real. Their numbers are real. Their increasing number is a fact. — god must be atheist
You come out with outrageously wrong opinions: facts are abstractions in your view, historical numbers change at your whimsy to support your (false) arguments, and you are caught on contradicting yourself. — god must be atheist
It’s the great taboo, I hear many environmentalists say. Population growth is the driving force behind our wrecking of the planet, but we are afraid to discuss it.
It sounds like a no-brainer. More people must inevitably be bad for the environment, taking more resources and causing more pollution, driving the planet ever farther beyond its carrying capacity. But hold on. This is a terribly convenient argument — “over-consumers” in rich countries can blame “over-breeders” in distant lands for the state of the planet. But what are the facts?
The world’s population quadrupled to six billion people during the 20th century. It is still rising and may reach 9 billion by 2050. Yet for at least the past century, rising per-capita incomes have outstripped the rising head count several times over. And while incomes don’t translate precisely into increased resource use and pollution, the correlation is distressingly strong.
Moreover, most of the extra consumption has been in rich countries that have long since given up adding substantial numbers to their population.
By almost any measure, a small proportion of the world’s people take the majority of the world’s resources and produce the majority of its pollution.
But it's not due to the lack of their own inner awareness. It is due to their abhorrence over the apparent pretension associated to things that people say who talk about "Inner awareness". — god must be atheist
Yes. People are real, and their numbers are increasing. The concept of “overpopulation,” however, is a myth and an abstraction. This isn’t hard. — Xtrix
Decisions by a handful of people in government and business. — Xtrix
I didn’t once say that. — Xtrix
Yes, they make the decisions, but they make the decisions as the extended power of the people. — god must be atheist
If the people really did not like those decisions, then they would vote a government that reversed those decisions. — god must be atheist
So stop saying that the cause of the world's problems are resting on the decisions of a few people. — god must be atheist
Yes, you did. — god must be atheist
Now you say that the 7% is responsible for 100% of carbon emissions. — god must be atheist
"A small percentage of the world is responsible for carbon emissions." — god must be atheist
Overpopulation is one of the main drivers of anthropogenic climate change. Consider:When7%of the global population are responsible for50%of carbon emissions— I don’t think “overpopulation” is the problem. — Xtrix
If the world's population was 10,000 people in total, then the emission problem would not be there, regardless what currently used lifestyle those 10,000 people pursued. — god must be atheist
This is why I insist that it is the overpopulation that is the root cause of many, many problems and the major cause of problems we face today as a species. — god must be atheist
Ok, but so what? How does that impact the way we address the issue? — Tate
2.1. Population size can't be reduced without drastic measures.
2.2. Drastic measures are opposed by democratic, humanitarian societies. — god must be atheist
Much growth is attributable to religious indoctrination and expectations-- like Christian countries used to be, now the Muslim world is propagandizing, very successfully, the idea that a man is only a man if he has more children than his neighbour. Or some other spiritual incentive, I don't know the Koran. — god must be atheist
41% of the world pop. (China, US & India) accounted for 60% of global carbon dioxide emissions (2019). — 180 Proof
The problem identified is net overconsumption of and/or by national populations as shares of the global population. Why even mention "individual consumption"? — 180 Proof
The issue is one of communication. Better communication is necessary. The responsibility for this starts with each individual striving to listen with honesty and speak with honesty. — I like sushi
:mask:41% of the world pop. (China, US & India) accounted for 60% of global carbon dioxide emissions (2019). — 180 Proof
Well, it's saying at least as much as "7% of the world's population is responsibble for 50% of the emissions", as you've claimed, is factually incorrect by a significant margin. :eyes:Citing the US, China, and India is fine — they are indeed the largest emitters. But that’s not saying much — — Xtrix
is factually incorrect by a significant margin. — 180 Proof
Stephen Pacala, director of the Princeton Environment Institute, calculates that the world’s richest half-billion people — that’s about 7 percent of the global population — are responsible for 50 percent of the world’s carbon dioxide emissions. Meanwhile the poorest 50 percent are responsible for just 7 percent of emissions.
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