It's not as if anyone's open to actual discussion about the crisis itself is it? — Isaac
Discuss away. — apokrisis
By basically talking a lot more about everything else than the actual topic of the thread, the war in Ukraine. Because on a thread about Ukraine, the topic ought to be how bad the US and your government is, not Ukraine or Russia. Right on. :snicker:some of us take seriously our duty to hold our governments to account for their actions, so for us what matters here is the justness of the actions of our governments, and for most of us, that isn't Russia. — Isaac
The experts say Russia is preparing for war and I'm sure the billions that thepharmaceuticalarms industry will make is just a coincidence.
Of course, you might find some experts disagreeing, but with none of you being military strategists, you wouldn't want to be 'doing your own research', would you?
Besides, have you not read the news? Those nasty truckers are funded by the Russians, best be on the safe side, lest they fund any morepeaceful protestsdomestic terrorists. — Isaac
The offensive then started on the 24th.Februrary 18th already. Typical Russians. Late as usual. Too busy organising Canadian truckers and missed their deadline most likely.
If we're all going to be annihilated in world war three it could at least start on time. I had tickets... — Isaac
Obviously Ukraine surrendering and then Putin putting his puppet oligarch friend Medvedchuk as leader of what's left of Ukraine after the territories of Novorossiya would have been annexed by Russia would have meant fewer dead (and fewer tanks destroyed). Even less would have been killed if Putin wouldn't have attacked Ukraine starting from 2014.Option 1 - Long drawn out war, thousands dead, crippled by debt, economy run by the IMF, regime run by corrupt politicians in the pocket of lobbyists benefiting the corporations and immiserating the poor. Blue and yellow flag over the parliament.
Option 2 - Less long war, fewer dead, less crippled by debt, less in thrall to the IMF, regime run by corrupt politicians in the pocket of oligarchs benefiting the corporations and immiserating the poor. Blue, red and white flag over the parliament.
Option 2 has fewer dead. — Isaac
I think that the Ukrainians understand that they have to be ready for a long war. After the initial push failed, the Russians have tried to salvage what there is to salvage. But I think they have made a breakthrough in how to fight the Russians. Aerial and US satellite reckon, pinpoint artillery/rocket attacks make are quite successful.I'm no military expert so cannot forecast much, but it seems to me the Ukrainian side has been cautious and prudent with its operations, not exposing troops more than strictly necessary, being worried of getting trapped if advancing too fast. — Olivier5
By basically talking a lot more about everything else than the actual topic of the thread, the war in Ukraine. — ssu
It would be more credible, if you came up even once with some actions, any action, of your government that would be justified. — ssu
Obviously Ukraine surrendering and then Putin putting his puppet oligarch friend Medvedchuk as leader of what's left of Ukraine after the territories of Novorossiya would have been annexed by Russia would have meant fewer dead — ssu
Even less would have been killed if Putin wouldn't have attacked Ukraine starting from 2014. — ssu
So you continue to strawman me. — apokrisis
what is your balanced view of Putin and his little adventure? What paints him in some better light? — apokrisis
Obviously Ukraine surrendering and then Putin putting his puppet oligarch friend Medvedchuk as leader of what's left of Ukraine after the territories of Novorossiya would have been annexed by Russia would have meant fewer dead — ssu
Yes. — Isaac
↪apokrisis Ah, the desperate need to strawman, when you cannot prove wrong the other one. — ssu
The video also explains just why Russians have declared so many HIMARS systems being destroyed: — ssu
Combat-Proven Solution:
The HIMARS solution is highly reliable, combat proven, fielded system that has exceeded all performance requirements. There are more than 540 fielded systems worldwide that have accumulated over 2,000,000 operating hours.
Precision Fires Capability
With a recognised and proven range up to 300km. — HIMARS, Lockheed Martin
If his rump of the old empire finally crumbles into its parts, why would it be so bad to be a clutter of small ethnic states on the edge of NATO and the EU? Some might be corrupt stans, others might thrive like the Baltic states. But in what way would the West be the bad guys in such a world? — apokrisis
Ah, the desperate need to strawman, when you cannot prove wrong the other one. — ssu
If his rump of the old empire finally crumbles into its parts, why would it be so bad to be a clutter of small ethnic states on the edge of NATO and the EU? Some might be corrupt stans, others might thrive like the Baltic states. But in what way would the West be the bad guys in such a world? — apokrisis
If his rump of the old empire finally crumbles into its parts, why would it be so bad to be a clutter of small ethnic states on the edge of NATO and the EU? Some might be corrupt stans, others might thrive like the Baltic states. — apokrisis
It's interesting to see how much longer the Ukrainian offensive can go. — ssu
Following the June 2013 leak of documents detailing the NSA practice of collecting telephone metadata on millions of Americans' telephone calls, Clapper was accused of perjury for telling a congressional committee hearing that the NSA does not collect any type of data on millions of Americans earlier that year. One senator asked for his resignation, and a group of 26 senators complained about Clapper's responses under questioning. — Jame Clapper - Wikipedia
When I posted an earlier version of this piece on my Substack, I mentioned that AEI doesn’t disclose its donors. But Ben Freeman pointed out to me that after some digging, you’ll find that AEI has taken money from the military industry by way of its board chair — meaning that all the think tanks advising US foreign policy are taking money from weapons manufacturers one way or another, and the chart above should be a solid yellow pie. — Stephen Semler
It's a direct quote, you asked for a moral judgment on Putin. — Isaac
I was talking about the implosion of Putin’s regime following a failure in Ukraine. Different thing. — apokrisis
There's a huge effort to do that. By Putin, actually.If the implosion of Russia follows failure in Ukraine, that's definitely one way to defeat Russia. — boethius
Except this war is bloodier than the Vietnam war was for Americans (for the Vietnamese, it's another issue). The highest death toll for the US was in 1968 with nearly 17 000 killed. Russian losses have pasted that in far less than a year (although believing the official statistics, only 5 000+ have been killed).The whole thing is beginning to look like the war on Vietnam by the Americans. People who were happy not knowing jack about other people were forced to pay attention through personal loss. — Paine
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