Mind independence is simply what "real" means. What is your problem with this definition? — hypericin
The relation between real and unreal needs to be distinguished...... — Mww
Your thoughts and feelings themselves are real. But it is what they are about that is in question. — hypericin
When you say "my thoughts are real", you are thinking about your thoughts. — hypericin
You will have thoughts whether or not you think about having thoughts. ↪Mww — hypericin
Hence, the thought of the rock of yesterday is a thought just as real as the thought of this rock today, but the existence of either rock is not given by mere thoughts about it. — Mww
It is therefore unjustifiable to say the same thing about those by which the determinations of each depends on non-congruent modes. — Mww
he saying is not the thinking, but merely presupposes thinking for its antecedent, and represents thinking as its consequent — Mww
The problem with that definition is that by that ,we cannot say about anything at all that is "real".Since every procedure that allows us know/think/consider something as "real" is made via our minds.So nothing at all is actually mind independent. — dimosthenis9
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