there could not be a form of government that embodies Marx’s system without resorting to some form of liberty denying authoritarianism — Deus
Nuanced forms of socialism could be one way, the other is to accept capitalism as the best we have although not perfect. — Deus
As proven by history that all communist systems have been enforced by dictators — Deus
As proven by history that all communist systems have been enforced by dictators I see no further adaptation or advancement of his theory that could save it.
Nuanced forms of socialism could be one way, the other is to accept capitalism as the best we have although not perfect.
Back to the title of the thread and main point there could not be a form of government that embodies Marx’s system without resorting to some form of liberty denying authoritarianism. — Deus
He thought that they were available in the last quarter of the 19th, first quarter of the 20th centuries. The key piece is wide-spread organizing of industrial unions plus public education, political activity, and elections. — Bitter Crank
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As proven by history that all communist systems have been enforced by dictators I see no further adaptation or advancement of his theory that could save it. — Deus
shoot the neighbours if they walk onto his lawn, set up a gun-nest and take out a few dozen people. Randomly or to a pattern. -- You can't find this much happiness in other countries — god must be atheist
If you work, and have a decent job, you can make decent living. What more can a human want — god must be atheist
I'd cut out "and have a decent job" -- that's clearly saying there are jobs for people who count, and jobs for people who don't count. So if you don't have a decent job, you work hard, and yet don't see anything from your work. — Moliere
Silly me! How did I fail to notice these splendid features? — Bitter Crank
If you look at the earliest examples of statehood, these forms "occur naturally" as seen by their repeated emergence and are at the same time imposed, and are deeply exploitive.
States are essentially the organized means of exploitation imposed by the conquering class upon the vanquished — NOS4A2
To spell out my position in the most literal manner for your convenience: there are people who get paid less than they should be paid, and what I'd change in your formula -- in answer to "what more do you want?" -- is that if you work you can make a decent living, regardless of what you do.
5 hours ago — Moliere
Have you heard of Gödel's loophole? Maybe something similar is going on with socialism & communism - there's a bug in it — Agent Smith
Is Marxism hijackable? That, my friend, is the right question. — Agent Smith
I’d much rather find voluntary means of coordination. — NOS4A2
I’d much rather find voluntary means of coordination. — NOS4A2
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