On the contrary, doesn't critical methodology point to value? Critical thinking needs a point, a telos. Otherwise there's no reason to think critically. — Noble Dust
I hardly think working in contrast to rational processes will enable us to get any closer to solving the problem of consciousness. Exactly what did you have in mind? Choreograph a dance?For example take ethics - logical analysis of the moral landscape has utterly failed in providing a satisfactory solution to its problems. — TheMadFool
Personally, I'm with Doestovesky's Underground Man: "I admit that twice two makes four is an excellent thing, but if we are to give everything its due, twice two makes five is sometimes a very charming thing too." — Noble Dust
Nonsense. Really.Personally, I'm with Doestovesky's Underground Man: "I admit that twice two makes four is an excellent thing, but if we are to give everything its due, twice two makes five is sometimes a very charming thing too." — Noble Dust
But it does have sense, irrationality is indeed charming.Personally, I'm with Doestovesky's Underground Man: "I admit that twice two makes four is an excellent thing, but if we are to give everything its due, twice two makes five is sometimes a very charming thing too." — Noble Dust
Nonsense. Really. — Harry Hindu
Sure, argument implies rationality but irrationality is not meaningless and contradictory, you're confusing it with fallacious reasoning.If you intend to make sense, or find a consensus, or make some argument of how things are, then you must be rational. If not, then whatever you say is meaningless and contradictory. — Harry Hindu
I'd say that it's silly.But it does have sense, irrationality is indeed charming. — Noblosh
"Irrationality" and "fallacious reasoning" mean the same thing.Sure, argument implies rationality but irrationality is not meaningless and contradictory, you're confusing it with fallacious reasoning. — Noblosh
What do you mean? Any time that you make an argument for some state of affairs with the intent for others to agree, then you are being rational. In other words, anytime you make an argument for some state of affairs on an internet forum, with the intent for others to read and make sense of, you are being rational.I argue that arguing about irrationality is in itself irrational. — Noblosh
Yes, but not nonsensical.But it does have sense, irrationality is indeed charming. — Noblosh
I'd say that it's silly. — Harry Hindu
No, they don't, If I commit a fallacy then I'm misguided, not irrational."Irrationality" and "fallacious reasoning" mean the same thing. — Harry Hindu
Assessing accordingly to reason and logic something that doesn't conform to reason and logic, doesn't conform to reason and logic.I argue that arguing about irrationality is in itself irrational. — Noblosh
What do you mean? — Harry Hindu
That's not sufficient to make it rational, again, it must conform to reason and logic.with the intent for others to read and make sense of — Harry Hindu
2+2=5 is nonsensical.Yes, but not nonsensical. — Noblosh
Let me make it simple. If you commit a logical fallacy you would effectively be illogical.No, they don't, If I commit a fallacy then I'm misguided, not irrational. — Noblosh
In other words, when you aren't conforming to reason and logic, you are effectively useless and meaningless.What do you mean? — Harry Hindu
Assessing accordingly to reason and logic something that doesn't conform to reason and logic, doesn't conform to reason and logic. — Noblosh
But there's no argument against that in this thread.2+2=5 is nonsensical. — Harry Hindu
Let me make it simple. If you commit a logical fallacy you would effectively be illogical. — Harry Hindu
Not true:In other words, when you aren't conforming to reason and logic, you are effectively useless and meaningless. — Harry Hindu
logic: a particular mode of reasoning viewed as valid or faulty
logical: capable of reasoning or of using reason in an orderly cogent fashion
If you accept these particular definitions, you come to understand that one must conform to logic and reason in order to commit a logical fallacy which is called like that for this very reason. Then what's irrational is that which completely ignores logic and reason but that doesn't make it nonsensical because sense may still be derived from it.illogical: devoid of logic
They are simply rules for human beings to follow in order to stay in line with the cultures they are born in. — Harry Hindu
Has rationality and logical analysis actually achieved anything at all?
Perhaps you would like to elaborate? — A Seagull
To suggest that philosophy needs to begin to use different modes of thinking almost seems unessisary; — Noble Dust
Dostoyevski is my absolute favourite writer, his ability to describe the human condition, of the ordinary and unoriginal who are applauded for their esteemed qualities or the suffering and filth of genuine hearts is quite simply unmatched. “Love in action is a harsh and dreadful thing compared to love in dreams.” — TimeLine
Should we stubbornly continue to apply (or is it misapply) reason and logic to these problems? I think it's high time we looked at new avenues, new tools to apply to these problems.
WHEN is twice two makes five useful or "charming"? You mean that it is charming to be meaningless? — Harry Hindu
Utterly failed — VagabondSpectre
If we ever find something that is more powerful than rationality, then every rational person will adopt it! — VagabondSpectre
I hardly think working in contrast to rational processes will enable us to get any closer to solving the problem of consciousness. Exactly what did you have in mind? Choreograph a dance? — TimeLine
Why do you think that? It was rationality applied to the question of whether it is ethical to own another human that ended the slave trade.
Surely that alone is enough to justify any area of inquiry — andrewk
The fairness is based on deducing that Africans are as human as Europeans, a fact that had been denied by pro-Slavery lobbyists. — andrewk
Should we stubbornly continue to apply (or is it misapply) reason and logic to these problems? I think it's high time we looked at new avenues, new tools to apply to these problems. — TheMadFool
"Finishing" philosophy takes all the fun away. — darthbarracuda
Well, if there's one word to describe my life, it's ''BIZARRE''. You don't know how reasonable ''chreograph a dance'' sounds to me. Also, the proposition doesn't sound as outlandish as you think - many mystical traditions have dance as a path to realization. — TheMadFool
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