Functionally, these algorithms calculate the same thing, only one of them in a more convoluted way than the other. In practice, this would make for two black boxes with different internal wiring, but we would have no way of telling from the outside. From an outsider's perspective, they are the same system and there is no way to distinguish them.
So this brings me to a theorem:
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Theorem 1: Given two black boxes, A and B, if inputs and corresponding outputs for both are the same, then either the internal wiring of A and B are the same, or one is a more efficient version of the other.
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Well, well, well! You passed from simple computing systems to consiousness!!Therefore if an AI passes the Turing test (over a very large number of conversations), it is likely that the AI can be considered to be a "brain-like system", and therefore conscious. — tom111
Not all. At least not me. :smile: Consciousness exists in all forms of life, however elementary it is. Every living organism, even bacteria, receives stimuli from the environment and reacts to them. Our consciousness is simply more complex.we all assume that other humans share the trait we call consciousness - and we deny this trait to non-human entities (sorry panpsychists). — Real Gone Cat
Unfortunately, yes.it's nearly impossible to explain why — Real Gone Cat
I'll leave this to science-fiction. Regarding philosophy, I beliebeve this is an unfounded and/or useless hypothesis. (As well as the assumption that follows.)What will we do if we someday meet a space-faring race of lizard men? — Real Gone Cat
What's the difference betwee one and many, from the moment that possibility of consciousness in any computer system is rejected? (To be precise, it's not about "computer systems" but "computer programming".)Bit what about massively parallel, mutable computing systems with multiple feedback loops? — Real Gone Cat
Better that he finally didn't! :grin:Stevan Harnad points out that Turing wished to change the question from "Can machines think?" to "Can machines do what we (as thinking entities) can do?". — Real Gone Cat
So life is conscious, all else is not. Based on what evidence? Plants? Amoebas? Bacteria? What besides personal prejudice proves consciousness?
Machines require sustenance (fuel). Machines can be designed to move towards light. Etc. — Real Gone Cat
I have explained that shortly: "Every living organism, even bacteria, receives stimuli from the environment and reacts to them."So life is conscious, all else is not. Based on what evidence? Plants? Amoebas? Bacteria? What besides personal prejudice proves consciousness? — Real Gone Cat
Before citing articles, I used simple logic. But it seems it was not enough ...Not so sure I'd include plants and bacteria though. — Real Gone Cat
I have never talked about "self-awareness" (I think it's the third time you bring this up) or "high cognitive functions". These are for humans only. I said specifically "Consciousness exists in all forms of life, however elementary it is." I also said "How could these viruses travel in the organism and expand if theiy didn't have an ability to perceive (be aware of) and respond to their surroundings?"conditioned behavior does not require self-awareness or high cognitive functions. — Real Gone Cat
A machine is a mechanism, not an organism. Machines are dead objects, so they lack the drive to survive (instict of life), which is a characteristic of all organisms.Simple machines react to stimuli from their environment. Consider the thermostat. — Real Gone Cat
A reflex, in physiology, is an involuntary response/reaction to a stimulus. This is not debatable. But in general, a reflex is a reaction/response to a stimulus. It is usually used reference to time.What are your views on reflex (action)? — Agent Smith
Like what?There's more to simple reflexes than meets the eye, si señor/señorita? — Agent Smith
Sensors, on the other hand, are mechanical devices that receive and transmit signals. Like the brain. They don't perceive things.
Therefore if an AI passes the Turing test (over a very large number of conversations), it is likely that the AI can be considered to be a "brain-like system", and therefore conscious. — tom111
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