However, realistically in comparison to the norm, these are a type of suicidal and self-destructive behavior. I can't help but to think the whole philosophy is erroneous as a type of slave mentality wherein the slave self-destructs without his master. This differs from an atheism wherein believing in God is the point of departure for a life of absurdity, and the adherent goes on to live unaffected without religion. — introbert
Without agreeing or disagreeing, if not that way, then in what way must we read the essay?But I don't think that we must read the essay in that way. — Moliere
You have confused philosophy with mathematics. Proposing criteria for judging and methods for "finding the truth" is not itself "finding the truth". Philosophical statements are useful – suppositional – at best; they're not truthful – propositional – themselves (e.g. the problem of the criterion, the hermeneutic circle, reflective equilibrium, language-games, dialectics, etc). In philosophy, perhaps more than any other rational discipline, answers are merely how questions generate more questions ... Thus, Sisyphus' boulder is also known as "the philosopher's stone." :fire: :eyes:I should have thought that philosophy was about finding the truth, which is necessarily singular ... — god must be atheist
Without agreeing or disagreeing, if not that way, then in what way must we read the essay? — god must be atheist
Accepting more than one interpretations, that are non-congruent with each other, then obviously many of them are wrong, and only one or zero are right.
So what's the point of accepting more than one explanations, interpretations, etc? — god must be atheist
I should have thought that philosophy was about finding the truth, which is necessarily singular, and not about pussy-footing around a set of acceptable interpretations. — god must be atheist
:up:It's only by reading a multitude of interpretations and judging their relative merits that you'd be able to select the right one at all. So, at a bare minimum, even presuming there is a correct reading, the point would be to make sure the explanation or interpretation you have on hand is the right one or not. — Moliere
Ritual grunt work. Creative self-sabotage. The reflex of respiration is absurd, no? Camus says, in effect, human dignity only manifests in clear-eyed living – without evasions or nostalgias or indifference – in spite of the world's indifference to human life. Makes sense to me.Are we engaged in recursive grunt work, or a form of ritual? Is this grind and toil an act of self-creation or of self-sabotage? — Tom Storm
If the nihilist chooses not to kill himself and embrace the meaninglessness it does not end there, the nihilist at the very least becomes anomic and violates societal values. — introbert
The nihilist reifies the moral argument against him into social institutions that are against lawlessness, intemperance, infidelity, immorality, antiestablishment, anarchism, anti-work etc. — introbert
The nihilst is all alone pushing for nothing while the opposite of nothing pushes back. — introbert
The opposite of nothing is unbeatable by nothing, but as the history of nihilism proceeds there are other writers who have a little more sense to turn their nihilism against the moral institutions that the nihilist will come up against — introbert
What are societal values? — Tom Storm
Can you explain what you mean in simple language? What moral argument is there against nihilism? — Tom Storm
Perhaps that is the boulder rolling back down the hill, right? — Tom Storm
I can't follow what you mean — Tom Storm
Nihilists consider the things people take very seriously as nothing. The moral argument against nihilism, if there's only one, is simply that it does not recognize the cornerstones and pillars of society. — introbert
'm not sure if you are being deliberately contrarian, feigning ignorance or are just a little naive, but nihilism is tied with a number of abnormal psychologies and is part of the profile for sociopathy. — introbert
If I continued to nihilistically lack compassion and empathy, reject your rational appeals as nothing, respond without sentence structure, grammar, punctuation and spelling (these conventions representing nothing), and descend the conversation into meaningless flaming I would soon provoke moderation — introbert
This is really what motivates this post: the potential for totalitarian and authoritarian controls of social codes. — introbert
Still looking and reading... — introbert
Perhaps we won't find common ground then since I have already proposed that nihilism has various expressions and does not necessarily lead to anti-social behaviour. Can you demonstrate that nihilism invariably leads to anti-social (sociopathic) behaviour? — Tom Storm
there is nothing by way of foundation. Whatever meaning we find is ours to create. — Tom Storm
For the rest of readers the connection between social disorganization in Catcher and criminality in The Stranger would link psychiatry in the first case and nihilism in the second. These are not likely the intended, but the latent functions of the work that cause a potentially intensification of institutionalization. — introbert
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