Once function is exhausted, form becomes primary, and this seems to always signify the death of that movement. — Noble Dust
As far as I can tell forms analysis is more challenging of the two given what is likely mountains of data which we have to sift through. — Agent Smith
So, once the functional aspect of an artistic expression is evolved to it's logical conclusion, the focus of that expression shifts from what it is to how it's done. — Noble Dust
once the functional aspect of an artistic expression is evolved to it's logical conclusion, the focus of that expression shifts from what it is to how it's done — Noble Dust
Does this seemingly inevitable switch to or preoccupation with form indicate something like the emergence of decadence? — Tom Storm
However, it does seem that with music one factor which may have affected quality is that a lot of it is made on computers. — Jack Cummins
However, getting back to the original topic it does seem that we are entering the era of post post post post post post post possibilities, so what next...? — Jack Cummins
a preoccupation with form is it can lead to what Adorno described as fetishism. — Noble Dust
Oh sure; brawny heros walking away from expositions in slow motion. — Noble Dust
I could not make sense of Soundgarden vs. Breaking Benjamin. — Bitter Crank
Stravinsky said that Vivaldi wrote the same concerto 400 times. I'll take the worst of Vivaldi over the best of Soundgarden. — Bitter Crank
Gorecki, Pärt, Adams, etc. The first cut on this YouTube album is Spiegel in Spiegel -- Mirror in Mirror by Arvo Pärt. — Bitter Crank
As to your counter point here that young composers are indeed carrying on without resorting to form fetishism — Noble Dust
I do still seek out new music being released whereas many people don't.. — Jack Cummins
Am I missing something? Is there a sense in which artistic function is bottomless/eternal, or am I right in demarcating it's beginning and end points? — Noble Dust
(1) What is artistic function? — Dawnstorm
The tinkerer likes the process of creating. The communicator wants to have created. And the book-keeper wants success (praise and money both apply). I'd say all artists are a mix of the three. — Dawnstorm
And because too few people ask what to do with it, the discourse tends to assume regularity is a goal. — Dawnstorm
We train our ears for music early in life, and if you train your ear on pitch-snapped music, will you hear expression, or will you hear mistakes? — Dawnstorm
They come together -- function and form. But function is felt, not heard. This is how I listen to music. Of course, when all you could hear is the shredding of the guitar, drowning out all the other sounds onstage, that distorts the harmonic quality of the whole act and then you start thinking art has deteriorated. Well yes, in that regard and at that moment.Function is key signatures, time signatures, transpositions, modes, composition forms, approaches to improvisation, proper physical technique (ways to play the piano, hold drum sticks, strum a guitar, etc). Form is more the sound of it; do you like a silky blues guitar tone or a jarring metal tone? Do you prefer Baroque music or Romantic era? Do you like the chill vibe of rock steady or the paranoia of industrial metal? — Noble Dust
I do still seek out new music being released whereas many people don't.. — Jack Cummins
Function is technique. Music is the most familiar art to me, so I'll use that; apologies. Function is key signatures, time signatures, transpositions, modes, composition forms, approaches to improvisation, proper physical technique (ways to play the piano, hold drum sticks, strum a guitar, etc). Form is more the sound of it; do you like a silky blues guitar tone or a jarring metal tone? Do you prefer Baroque music or Romantic era? Do you like the chill vibe of rock steady or the paranoia of industrial metal? — Noble Dust
Am I missing something? Is there a sense in which artistic function is bottomless/eternal, or am I right in demarcating it's beginning and end points? What do your opinions say about your philosophical predisposition on what art does and is? Just my semi-annual art rant. — Noble Dust
I wouldn't use the metaphor that innovation dries up, but rather innovation sparks the imagination of others who then imitate the innovation (new derivations of innovation are still possible, but the returns appear to diminish), and eventually the artistic movement dies a natural death once the imitations and derivations reach critical mass (at which point the audience stops paying attention). — Noble Dust
I do still seek out new music being released whereas many people don't..
— Jack Cummins
Me too, but only if it was written between the 17th and early 20th century. :razz: — Tom Storm
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