the truth doesn't change. It's the truth after all. And such a fundamental constant/ law/ principle as truth - which is unchanging.. Must therefore be inaccesible to systems that change/are under the influence of change. — Benj96
And because the truth cannot change fundamentally or it wouldnt be true - it must have something to do with energy and time (the ability to do work/cause change as well as quantum uncertainty - heisenbergs uncertainty principle in science) and perhaps (in spirituality/ religion - being, consciousness, ethics and god). — Benj96
For something to be true.. It must exist. — Benj96
For something to be true.. It must be knowable. — Benj96
the truth doesn't change. — Benj96
And such a fundamental constant/ law/ principle as truth - which is unchanging.. Must therefore be inaccesible to systems that change/are under the influence of change. — Benj96
And because the truth cannot change fundamentally or it wouldnt be true - it must have something to do with energy and time — Benj96
If you say something is ‘true’ then you must know it. — I like sushi
Are you omniscient? If not then how can you make any truth claims at all? — I like sushi
Why?
There seem to be things that are true or false yet unknown - that you have an odd number of hairs on your forearm, for example. — Banno
For something to be true.. It must be knowable. — Benj96
I was thinking of it more as ignorance wanting what it lacks. If what is knowable can be established outside of that desire, then it does not have a job or a place to stay. — Paine
My thought was a response to the claim that truth is knowable. Taken as the unchanging that is assumed to be the condition for all that exists, how can we, as "systems that change/are under the influence of change", know that truth is knowable? — Paine
In our ignorance, we can seek the truth but cannot claim that we know enough about it to say what is possible in relation to it. If it were possible to do that, we would already be a lot less ignorant. — Paine
But once I perceived that there is a God, and also understood at the same time that everything else depends on him, and that he is not a deceiver, I then concluded that everything that I clearly and distinctly perceive is necessarily true. Hence even if I no longer attend to the reasons leading me to judge this to be true, so long as I merely recall that I did clearly and distinctly observe it, no counter-argument can be brought forward that might force me to doubt it. On the contrary, I have certain knowledge of it. — Descartes, Meditations on First Philosophy, 5:46-47, translated by Donald A. Cress
This confidence does not, however, support the idea that all of what is true can be known. — Paine
If A is B then B is A — I like sushi
But what is in principle unknowable? Maybe "Germany wins the World Cup in 2030." Right now, that is unknowable. We have no way to know that. So right now, does it have a truth value? — Hanover
If, If something is ‘true’ then you must know it, then anything that is true is known: there are no unknown trues; we know everything.
Basic logic. — Banno
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