But that's just not so. I went to a Harry Manx concert last night. Past truth. — Banno
[...]is in the structure of your brains. — Benj96
Most interesting. — Ms. Marple
Truly wonderful the mind of a child is. — Master Yoda
That, my friend, is the right question. — Dr. Lanning (I Robot)
Yes you know its truth from the present moment. — Benj96
Something can be true, yet unknown, unbelieved, unevidenced — Banno
Most interesting. — Ms. Marple
But I knew it was true when I wrote that post a few hours ago, so it's not only now that I know it to be true.
And yes, if I don't remember that it was true, I wouldn't know it was true, but it would nevertheless remain true.
Being true and being known are two different things.
Something can be true, yet unknown, unbelieved, unevidenced... — Banno
But I knew it was true when I wrote that post a few hours ago, so it's not only now that I know it to be true. — Banno
But I knew it was true when I wrote that post a few hours ago, so it's not only now that I know it to be true. — Banno
Isn't the now of a few hours ago the same now as the present time? Or do you have the capacity to divide time into a multitude of distinct, particular, and separate nows, such that a past now would be distinct from the present now — Metaphysician Undercover
Dear Australian brother, I have a feeling it's about Fitch's paradox of knowability (there was a thread on that about 6 moons ago).
The issue can be exemplified with the statement "aliens exist" (status: unknown) — Agent Smith
Truly wonderful the mind of a child is. — Master Yoda
↪Benj96 You completely missed my point then. A is B is an abstract, the mistake is you assuming this maps one-to-one onto reality when you apply Electricity and Energy … I even gave such an example to show the distinction between objects that exist and abstractions.
Bring me number one and show it to me and you can then convince me there is no difference. Better still paint me a picture of ‘AND,’ ‘OR’ or ‘IF’ that everyone will recognise as such without painting the words. — I like sushi
Humans are limited by their short existence but not by their ability to apply logic and derive truth pertaining to god. — Benj96
That is the sort of thing I don't know. — Paine
In essence he shows commitment to a belief without feeling the need to explain it to others. — Benj96
That in passing from the knowledge of God to the knowledge of the creatures, it is necessary to remember that our understanding is finite, and the power of God infinite.
But as we know that God alone is the true cause of all that is or can be, we will doubtless follow the best way of philosophizing, if, from the knowledge we have of God himself, we pass to the explication of the things he has created, and essay to deduce it from the notions that are naturally in our minds, for we will thus obtain the perfect science, that is the knowledge of effects through their causes. But that we may be able to make this attempt with sufficient security from error, we must use the precaution to bear in mind as much as possible that God, who is the author of things, is infinite, while we are wholly finite. — Discourse on Method, Principles of Philosophy, 24, translated by John Veitch
he explicitly cautions against thinking our knowledge as being able to approach all that is true: — Paine
Okay let me explain it another way — Benj96
...Fitch's paradox... — Agent Smith
Yep. But see how Benj entirely misses the point?
Benj's approach is making stuff up instead of working stuff out. There's not much point in further comment. — Banno
Yep. But see how Benj entirely misses the point?
Benj's approach is making stuff up instead of working stuff out. There's not much point in further comment. — Banno
but I haven't heard of a god of space. Is there one? — Agent Smith
What else could be "true"--that which everyone would think is the case after everyone knows everything? That's hardly a meaningful or useful thing to spend our time discussing — Ciceronianus
I don't understand how noting the limitations of our knowledge in the context of all that is true amounts to saying we could not learn anything that is true or what behavior is better from what is worse — Paine
↪Benj96 Name (of the space god)? — Agent Smith
The persistence of gods even in the age of information (explosion) implies that we've good reasons to continue believing in gods. What are these reasons, pray tell. — Agent Smith
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