Annnnd she's gone.

Your 30 mins prediction was quite close to the 'time left for the latest tory donkey.' I can already hear the HEEEE HAWWWWS of her potential replacements.
What a farce!

Poof. All gone.

Next.

There's a naughty chubby lad with messy hair and even messier morals waiting in the wings and ready for a return to action! Hi, ho, silver!

Let it be a lesson to purveyors of voodoo economics.

There's a naughty chubby lad with messy hair and even messier morals waiting in the wings and ready for a return to action! Hi, ho, silver! — Baden

So the only people they have available as replacements is the last dude who failed. What does this say about Tories?

And why doesn't the more rational and balanced Tories just leave and start their own new party and leave the incompetent and stupid parts to drive Tories into the ground? I think they would have tremendous success if they did that at this time.

Send back the clown, there has to be clowns, send in the clowns, BUT, they're already there!

Tories just leave and start their own new party and leave the incompetent and stupid parts to drive Tories into the ground? I think they would have tremendous success if they did that at this time. — Christoffer

You are kinda describing Tony Blairs New Labour Party or perhaps even Keir Starmer's current labour party, who are indeed having tremendous success in the (non-Scottish) polls. That's why the tories keep stealing a lot of their policies, because they are soft tory policies.
Current labour and the liberal party should just merge as there is very little between them. :angry:

You are kinda describing Tony Blairs New Labour Party or perhaps even Keir Starmer's current labour party, who are indeed having tremendous success in the (non-Scottish) polls. That's why the tories keep stealing a lot of their policies, because they are soft tory policies.
Current labour and the liberal party should just merge as there is very little between them. :angry: — universeness

I'm not that well read-up on British politics so I didn't know that they did that.

In all essence I think a lot of western nations of the world needs new political movements that aren't fascist conservative super-capitalist racists. I'm kind of stunned that there aren't enough people who want a more non-extreme leftish movement, but maybe such voters are so content in their middle class life that they're too fat and obsessed with TikTok and social media to ever care about politics until it's too late. Just look at all the Millennials and Gen Zs in Russia who were just ignoring everything up until now and then being all surprised about everything.

I'm not that well read-up on British politics so I didn't know that they did that. — Christoffer

When Maggie Thatcher was asked what she considered her greatest achievement her answer (true and a very bitter pill for all true socialists, like myself,) was TONY BLAIR!

In the UK, the left or right are just rejected by the majority in England. The center ground is therefore where the main dance then happens between capitalism and socialism.
We need to get rid of party politics. No political parties allowed. Each constituency should vote for their own local representative based on agreement with their viewpoints. People should be voting for people not political parties.

People should be voting for people not political parties. — universeness

Could devolve into becoming just like presidential elections and wrestling fights between individuals and media covering who wore the best clothes and so on.

Such a system needs moderator personel who will steer the ship away from such downfalls and focus on the actual politics and strategies being pit against each other.

Could devolve into becoming just like presidential elections and wrestling fights between individuals and media covering who wore the best clothes and so on. — Christoffer

No there should be no president or presidential elections as there would be no political parties.
The representatives elected by the constituencies would elect and remove their own 'hierarchy' as they saw fit within the 4 years they would have.
There would be a citizen's chamber, who would act as the second house and they would be made up of the main stakeholders such as science, business, youth, the aged, police, military, medical etc. They would 'moderate and scrutinise' the main chamber.

wrestling fights between individuals and media covering who wore the best clothes and so on. — Christoffer

This could still happen at a constituency level but no more than it does now. It would be the responsibility of an educated electorate to see past such bullshit between constituency candidates.
People have to grow above the excitement and entertainment of the freak show.

People have to grow above the excitement and entertainment of the freak show. — universeness

They never do. Voters are rarely intellectually involved and politicians desperately seek voters attention, everything in current democracy is always boiling down to demagogues and populism.

Democracy needs to evolve to a higher form, what that is, is up to political philosophers to figure out.

They never do. — Christoffer

I remain convinced we can see beyond the 'circus.'
Most people I talk to about the attraction of 'reality TV' and the various opiates of the masses, do understand the human attraction to the freak show and the oooh ahhhhh scandal media news stories.
It's a double-edged sword, as its good when all that is said is true and it brings down the nefarious, but it is not so good when it is not true, and it is simply used as a tool to fool many people most of the time.
Most people know this, and they can be convinced to be more sceptical and drill down a little further and check all sources of the info they are being fed.
Removing party politics and presidential elections would greatly help imo.

Liz Truss started with one sovereign ruling and quitted with another sovereign holding the crown.

That usually would mean that Truss would have been a prime minister for a long time. :smirk:

Yet this thread won't be long now. Perhaps we go to the Boris Johnson thread again? :snicker:

Perhaps we go to the Boris Johnson thread again? — ssu

There is s possible world where Boris gets in, fucks up again, and they bring back Liz Truss. :lol:

looks as though the Tory’s are descending into chaos. They are confident that they will coalesce behind a new PM within a week. While their party is splitting into at least 5 factions. Time to get the popcorn out.

They'll try again the next time they get the chance. The only reason why they couldn't this time was because of that meddling UK economy.

Before then though, I expect the GOP in the US to ride into power through inflation-concerned voters and try to pull off the exact same thing, perhaps more successfully.

The most important development will be the end of the tradition of people from the privileged upper middle classes being groomed for a life in politics. Eton and Oxford are responsible for perpetuating this.
It looks as though this might now be happening.

Bring Back Boris Campaign slogan:

Better than a limp lettuce!

Before then though, I expect the GOP in the US to ride into power through inflation-concerned voters and try to pull off the exact same thing, perhaps more successfully. — Mr Bee

Shhhh, don't say such things--it might encourage them.

The DEM vs GOP polls are already sending me into the slough of despond.

The GOP are gonna do it anyways the next time they get power and it may likely be the only thing they do like during the Trump years. It's sort of their answer to everything (that and cutting social programs but that's more of a means to fund their tax breaks).

On the bright side at least in the UK it doesn't look like the conservatives have much of a chance the next time a general election happens. Though who knows since voters have very short attention spans and 2025 is some ways away.

Voters' attention spans are the same as everybody else's.

Unless an election is called soon, which seems unlikely if the Tories are in power -- they admit they'd be wiped out -- the next one is 3 years away. In just a few weeks, our election will be over; people appropriately voted based on conditions in 2022, not 2019.

Rapidly rising inflation is frightening to everyone whose income is marginal. They are not in danger of losing access to luxury goods, they are in danger of losing access to necessities -- milk, gasoline ($6+ a gallon in California), diapers, heating, decent food (fruits, vegetables, etc.) and so on.

Voting for conservative will not change the economy for the marginal income groups (which are composed of quite a few million people). Voting for the Democrats will not change the economy for the marginal income groups either. Our political system (like some others) repeatedly offers empty choices to the electorate.

Whoever is elected will be reliably committed to the articles of faith of the dominant capitalist paradigm. The economy is not democratic -- it's plutocratic. The millions of extremely rich, very rich, and merely rich income groups will be well taken care of. Fuck the food stamp crowd; fuck the must-drive-old-car-crowd; fuck the must-work-3-jobs crowd; fuck the priced-out-of-housing crowd; fuck 'em all!

Voting for conservative will not change the economy for the marginal income groups (which are composed of quite a few million people). Voting for the Democrats will not change the economy for the marginal income groups either. Our political system (like some others) repeatedly offers empty choices to the electorate. — Bitter Crank

Pretty much. Voting is mostly just a way for people to vent their current frustration at the status quo and they're dissatisfied with that the majority of the time. Rarely is it about long term policy or ideology which is unfortunate since the current GOP's ideology is atrocious.

I don't think that the Dems will hold on to power for this years midterms, but I'm honestly mostly content that the Dems were able to get something done this time around on climate, drug prices, and healthcare, even if it's not much. The IRA is a popular bill (as is the larger BBB which didn't pass) regardless of people's opinions about the Democratic party, but people will forget it by next month and vote for the Republicans and their tax cuts anyways, which people will forget about too.

The millions of extremely rich, very rich, and merely rich income groups will be well taken care of. — Bitter Crank

Don't forget the military.

It's amazing that the government doesn't affect the people, at least not as much as it should given our concern, oui mes amies?

The most important development will be the end of the tradition of people from the privileged upper middle classes being groomed for a life in politics. Eton and Oxford are responsible for perpetuating this.
It looks as though this might now be happening. — Punshhh

The people you mention are indeed indoctrinated to believe they are the chosen ones who were born to lord it over the masses. They can't do it without many members of the masses supporting them. They are expert manipulators of the politically ignorant mind. That's why many poor people vote tory and that's why they will fight tooth and nail against the idea that politics should be taught in state schools, from an early age. Capitalism is about nurturing personal profit and growing personal wealth, it is not about nurturing people, and it never ever will be

Whoever is elected will be reliably committed to the articles of faith of the dominant capitalist paradigm. The economy is not democratic -- it's plutocratic. The millions of extremely rich, very rich, and merely rich income groups will be well taken care of. Fuck the food stamp crowd; fuck the must-drive-old-car-crowd; fuck the must-work-3-jobs crowd; fuck the priced-out-of-housing crowd; fuck 'em all! — Bitter Crank

:clap: That just about covers it! I wonder when the masses will fully realise, they have the power to change this almost ridiculous reality you accurately describe. Will they just continue to watch 'the Elon Musk show' or shows about how the rich wives of millionaires interact with each other socially and spend the money their husbands leached off the backs and sweat of their workers?
Will they continue to watch such insults and think 'hey, that's who I want to be, that's the life for me!, those are my role models, my ideal humans.' REALLY!!!! :rage:

Btw, a small aside, It annoys me that you gift the nefarious with the handle 'bitter crank,' to throw back at you, when you type such social/political truths.

The lesson I would like everyone to draw from all this is that a dishonest, amoral government must always fail in the long run because a society is first and foremost a moral order. The Party falls apart, because everyone is out for himself and there is no loyalty to person or principle.

To put this in terms a capitalist might understand, a market that deals in pigs in pokes, snake oil and Ponzi schemes is not worth trading in at all. It's not worth being an expert in, or a market leader of, and it's nothing to write home about. It has no value. None at all.

There is no government in the UK because no one can believe anything the government says. This means that no one will seriously try to do what the government says, and this means that they cannot govern anything or anyone.

In such a situation, people are reduced to their own sense of decency and must care for each other as best they can. The government has the status of bad weather, and must be endured and adapted to.

So what's then with your Prime Ministers all coming from Oxford University? Keir Starmer is btw also from there. (And Gordon Brown is the only exception!)

Don't the British have any other universities? What's wrong with Cambridge University?