Imagine as well that there is a sensible world, exactly like this one. — Bartricks
So, they have two desires: a desire to leave the sensible world to operate in its own manner, but also a desire to introduce sentient life into the sensible world. — Bartricks
And you are not omniscient, but you know that this sensible world is an incredibly dangerous place, full of all manner of dangers and just about every conceivable harm. — Bartricks
I mean, if the omnipotent, omniscient person ought not to introduce sentient life into the sensible world if they are not going to change the sensible world, then your inability to change the sensible world should also mean that you ought not to introduce sentient life into it. Agree? — Bartricks
Morally what ought they to do? Should they frustrate their desire to introduce sentient life into the sensible world? Or should they frustrate their desire to leave the sensible world alone and instead alter it so that it does not pose the risks to the welfare of the innocent life they plan on introducing into it? Or should they satisfy both desires? — Bartricks
You seem to have missed my point entirely. — Bartricks
I have no idea how anything you are saying connects with anything I have said. — Bartricks
Imagine there is an omnipotent, omniscient person. — Bartricks
*surprisingly well-thought-out arguments. — ToothyMaw
Morally what ought they to do? Should they frustrate their desire to introduce sentient life into the sensible world? Or should they frustrate their desire to leave the sensible world alone and instead alter it so that it does not pose the risks to the welfare of the innocent life they plan on introducing into it? Or should they satisfy both desires? — Bartricks
The only avenues of attack were to claim that God is unjust — ToothyMaw
I'm pretty certain 180 simultaneously craps his pants and has an aneurysm every time Bartricks posts an OP. — ToothyMaw
I do not see ‘capitalism’ as the root of all social problems myself. — I like sushi
You seem to have missed my point entirely. — Bartricks
By what authority do you hold and omniscient, omnipotent being to the moral standard imposed by society on ordinary mortals? You attribute superpowers to a character on whom you then place arbitrary limitations. You posit 'a sensible world' without defining 'sensible'.Similarly then, the omnipotent person has the ability to satisfy both of her desires - her desire for the world to keep operating in the way that it is, and her desire to create life and make it live in the sensible world. But it would be wrong for her to satisfy both desires. One or the other. Not both. — Bartricks
Morally what ought they to do? — Bartricks
Your hypothetical may work if you reduce the knowledge and abilities of the entity in the OP as such a being having SOME form of limitations. — I like sushi
Again then: the omnipotent person wants to keep the sensible world operating as it does. The omnipotent person also wants to create new life. It is wrong for them to satisfy both desires. — Bartricks
Yes, I did. What was it? — Vera Mont
By what authority do you hold and omniscient, omnipotent being to the moral standard imposed by society on ordinary mortals? You attribute superpowers to a character on whom you then place arbitrary limitations. You posit 'a sensible world' without defining 'sensible'.
Why set up an insoluble conundrum?
I can thumb my nose at God without the complications. — Vera Mont
Morally it would be fine for them to just leave the world to its own devices and frustrate their desire to introduce life into the world. Nothing wrong in doing that. — Bartricks
But if they don't introduce life (conscious/sentient beings) into the world what capacity would such an inanimate world have for it would not even be aware that it exists. A word without an observer would be devoid of both meaning and its consequence: "good" and "evil" (concepts held by sentient things). — Benj96
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