There's no such claim — Isaac
You have to ask? — Isaac
You think a dislike of racism is akin to a dislike of seafood? — Isaac
Then this claim of yours is a lie: neomac's false claim that there was some contiguous entity called 'The Russians' which deservedly had the hatred of because I never made such a claim, and you knew that. — neomac
There's no such claim, it was a long discussion. I'm not citing the entirety of it again. As I said, people can read it from the links in the quotes provided. — Isaac
I think that you do not have the conceptual tools to make such distinction rationally compelling for the discussion at hand. — neomac
The discussion started with a comment about how 'Ukrainians' deserved a say in the control of Donbas. I disputed that such a group existed with that right. If you just want to spout off more virtue signalling about how much you dislike what the Russian forces are doing, do it in someone else's discussion, don't respond to me to do it. — Isaac
If you dislike people selecting partial quotes to make a point you might want to set a better example. — Isaac
What? — Isaac
"Virtue signaling" is just another name for ethics. — Olivier5
If there is no such group as "the Russians" — Olivier5
You didn't quote me. Neither selectively nor entirely. — neomac
A discussion is not my claim, and your exegesis of what I claimed in a discussion is not my claim. Period. And that's important to expressly acknowledge precisely because your exegesis might be pretty shitty. — neomac
And that's not the first time I (and others) noticed it. You are prone to strawman your interlocutors. — neomac
The solution is to correct that shitty exegesis, not demand proof of it. Thus isn't an exam, it's a discussion. If my exegesis is incorrect, just correct it. — Isaac
A rhetorical device, ironically, that, despite being extremely common, people seem to think is very clever and conclusive. — Isaac
I never claimed there's no such group. My claims are of the form "there's no such group as "the Russians", which..." — Isaac
The group 'the Russians' shares the property of having Russian passports. — Isaac
If a group exists, called the Russians, and defined by their nationality, is that a bad thing because hey, nationalism is caca? — Olivier5
Ukraine is a country we are just getting to know. What is more important is to hate Russia: an emotion in which Americans have been well trained. Media workers and the experts they interview, one notices, can’t help stumbling occasionally: “the Soviet Union – I mean, Russia.” A history of contempt takes us back to an entity at once exotic and primitive, suspended in time and space.
Eight years later, in his column on October 7, Will averred that “the behavior of the Russian army in Ukraine demonstrates…a centuries-old continuity: a culture of cruelty.” The reports of atrocities in Bucha are now proof of “Russia’s endemic cruelty” – in short, to be Russian is to be cruel. The diagnosis is medical: “Putin’s Russia has a metabolic urge to export its pathologies.” But consider now the implications of the “metabolic urge.” It resembles what used to be said about the desire by men of the darker races for white women – that, too, was an ingrained and irresistible reflex. Combine the biological tinge of this amateur analysis with the word “endemic” and you are inhabiting a well-known frame of mind: nation-as-race, race-as-virus. There were people in the 1930s who called the Jews a “bacillus.” Hatred is an extraordinary passion.
Even if some black people are criminals it's not OK to say "blacks are criminals" — Isaac
One of the way how navies fight is to create a blockade against the enemy country. And naturally that is against all shipping to and from the country. Russian navy can perform this from out of the reach of Ukrainian missiles and drones. Yet the Sevastapol naval base is in reach of Ukrainian weapons.The logic seems clear enough, yes? Putin values the warships being intact (untouchable) more than he values those people getting food. To me, that doesn't seem approachable as such, though he should be (regularly). What's next? Hold food hostage for Kyiv (London, Tampa Bay)? — jorndoe
the claims I (and others) made here about "Russians" (like "Russians oppressed Ukrainians" or "Russians are oppressing Ukrainians") are not meant to convey nor suggest such racial stereotypes, and related forms of social discrimination. — neomac
Lazy racism — Isaac
There's no "historical, military, cultural and political context" in which becomes OK to extend the crimes of some people to all who happen to share a passport, — Isaac
There's no "historical, military, cultural and political context" in which the oppression of some people who happened at the time to be Ukrainian by some people who happened at the time to be Russian has any justificatory weight whatsoever on decisions made today about the current group of people who happen to be Ukrainian and the current groups of people who happen to be Russian. They are completely different groups of people. — Isaac
what's wrong with nations, exactly? — Olivier5
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