While the vast majority may live happy lives, the hundreds of millions with lives of unbearable suffering are the sacrifice for this. I think there's a fair argument that this should be discouraged. — Down The Rabbit Hole
While the vast majority may live happy lives, the hundreds of millions with lives of unbearable suffering are the sacrifice for this. I think there's a fair argument that this should be discouraged. — Down The Rabbit Hole
Empirical in that it can be tested/investigated by experiment.
Yes, you can test the emotional responses of individuals, either in a lab or even personally in a social environment. We do it every day in our relationships, do we not? I still don't see the contradiction you are suggesting I have made. I am sure you can clearly highlight it more convincingly. — universeness
Well yes, especially for 'important information,' about the structure and workings of the universe but I also consider as empirical, my own empirical evidence for such information as 'She can be trusted,' 'He is a good guy,' etc. My empirical evidence would be my own observation of what they do and say. No doubt you apply a similar approach yourself, yes? — universeness
. I already typed to you that I think solipsism is nonsense. — universeness
This sound like a theistic viewpoint that posits morality can only come from a god.
Human morality and human ethics would not allow such behaviour. I would not vote for cutting up living people to collect some perceived evidence we can't collect when they are dead, would you?
Your statement is a bit mad, is it not? — universeness
Ah okay yes it was just confusing as scientists base their empirical evidence on objectively measurable/replicable/repeatable results that can be performed by any other scientist and get the same outcome. — Benj96
I wasn't aware you knew every single concept of/interpretation of god possible? — Benj96
Are you universeness prepared to proclaim yourself a "know it all" — Benj96
Bring it on. Give me all you got. — Benj96
I'm eager to hear all about it. I'm not one bit intimidated or afraid of having such an argument. Let it all be put out there. — Benj96
Nothing is BS — Benj96
And I suppose you're the be all and end all déterminer of what is BS? That's quite the claim. I hope it holds up to rigorous discourse, not simply because "you said so". — Benj96
Yes you're right. That was the confusion I had, I needed clarification that you used the 2 forms depending on situational context. — Benj96
I don't think any one single observer (you or I) are the only minds that exist. That's totally absurd. But I think the consciousness that underlies our ability to have minds is innate to nature itself. You're free to disagree. — Benj96
Ok, I accept that my interpretation of what you typed did not suggest you were a secret theist.It may "sound theistic" to you but that's your interpretation. Your words not mine. I don't really know why you're suggesting I meant morality can only come from a god. — Benj96
factual — universeness
observed — universeness
Is 'totally absurd' merely your polite version of BS? — universeness
Ok, I accept that my interpretation of what you typed did not suggest you were a secret theist.
I fully accept my status as a fallible mind, after all, if I don't admit to being wrong at times then you will continue to label me an arrogant prick who thinks he 'knows it all.' :grin: — universeness
What I actually said is scientific method is limited - in that it cannot pervade our innate ethical principles. We are human. They're human ethics. If a scientist did experiments like that the very great majority of humanity woukd agree that its unethical/immoral. We don't need to be theistic in that regard. — Benj96
And I suppose you're the be all and end all déterminer of what is BS? That's quite the claim. I hope it holds up to rigorous discourse, not simply because "you said so". — Benj96
Surely we can get much much more accuracy that that! — universeness
See these two terms many people would argue can be contradictions. For example "Anna observes John and determines he is upset. She says his sadness is fact because she observed it. — Benj96
Haha I like your humour. Yes I suppose its the formal academic equivalent. — Benj96
We are all fallible in this way. I have already made erroneously assumptions about what you meant by the words you used in this thread. So I can totally relate. — Benj96
But to dismiss them as BS without going to the effort of examining and arguing them is naturally not going to lead to understanding by the other as to why you think the belief is erroneous. If anything they will just consider the person touting BS as being inconsiderate and invalidating others without reasoning it. They will think such a person is arrogant and rude. — Benj96
Perfection is for the discrete. It is something that can be applied to limited finite things that cannot get any better. But not systems of constant change or infinities. — Benj96
The problem here is that you are assuming that your interlocuters always have honourable intentions and that is just not the case — universeness
Well no, as Anna's output can be incorrect — universeness
I will forever combat it. — universeness
I too am an optimist but look what can happen if you don't combat the nonsense peddled by others as truth and fact. — universeness
If the antinatalism argument can be said to be boring, it is only because it's an open and shut case. — Tzeentch
I think we just saw a flash of popon-popoff antinatalism. Anyone else notice? — universeness
I also dislike antinatalism. I did a whole discussion with someone earlier not sure which thread where I expressly disagreed with it.
What I do believe though us that it's not going anywhere. That's why I said no beliefs are BS, in the sense that they exist for a reason - even if the only reason is to stand as an unreasonable thing to think. Just as evil isn't going anywhere as a concept. As without it we don't really have free will and good woukd be meaningless.
People drift towards antinatalism and people drift away from it again based on the persuasion of others. — Benj96
People drift towards antinatalism and people drift away from it again based on the persuasion of others. — Benj96
Casually associating AN with evil, whilst ironically, no one has to experience evil in the first place with AN — schopenhauer1
I sure did.
I quite like living tbh. Despite what they may say. — Benj96
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