"God" credible only to him/her. — 180 Proof
Ooops, I gave you too much credit again ... just more fatuous gibberish. You ought to try reading your bible, kid ...I am talking about the God of Abraham and pointing out that nothing in the bible commits one to supposing he created the world — Bartricks
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. — KJV, Genesis 1:1
I have made the earth, and created man upon it ... — KJV, Isaiah 45:12
Etcetera.Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. — KJV, Job 38:4
I believe in one God, Father Almighty, Creator of all things visible and invisible [ ... ] — Nicene Creed (Theodore of Mopsuestia, 325 CE)
Use it to refer to your own bumhole if you want — Bartricks
Here it means what I say it does. It's my thread. So if you want to understand what I am saying, then you need to understand that I mean by 'God' an omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenvolent person, — Bartricks
So, don't tell me what Christians believe — Bartricks
This thread is not about the coherence of theism — Bartricks
This is about the coherence and plausiblity of Christianity. — Bartricks
On the contrary, I believe the very fact we are arguing is a contradiction. You are contradicting me and I'm contradicting you because we believe different things. So yes, contradiction is involved here.there's no contradiction involved — Bartricks
And what I am arguing is that there is no reason for a Christian to make a certain claim - a claim that they almost invariably do make. And that claim is that the world is God's creation — Bartricks
Your MO is to find a thread I have started and then not bother reading the OP — Bartricks
For example, you've just asked if I am a Christian. Now, I said I wasn't, didn't I? — Bartricks
And this thread is not - not - a request for historical or psychological explanations of why most Christians believe that God created the world. — Bartricks
So, clearly what I am wondering is if there is any philosophical reason why a Christian should believe such a thing. — Bartricks
Not at all. You are unjustified and arguably incorrect in assuming that 'day' refers to a time period equivalent to one rotation of our planet or the period between one sunrise and the next. We have far less reason to make such a stupid assumption than we do to think that 'Earth' in the Genesis creation myth refers to our Earth. In fact given that the genesis of our existence, cosmically speaking, has always been something that invites philosophical and religious speculation, we have every reason to think the author of Genesis had precisely our world in mind. — Janus
To me, he's like Bob Dylan, good lyrics, awful voice. — universeness
I look for character and resonance in singing voices, not purity of tone and pitch (although I'm not against that either, if character and resonance are there as well), so I don't have a problem with the likes of Leonard Cohen, Tom Waits and Bob Dylan. — Janus
So, clearly what I am wondering is if there is any philosophical reason why a Christian should believe such a thing. — Bartricks
↪Moses Nothing you have said is correct. — Bartricks
Agree - but then how did the world get here? Did God (per your definition) set up the conditions that allowed the world to come into existence? Did God permit some other powerful entity to create the world? Or perhaps there is some other explanation?Does the concept of God - defined as I defined God - entall that God created the world? No. — Bartricks
I am not a biblical scholar, but I'm pretty sure that in the sentence "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." the phrase "the earth" is referring to the planet Earth that we all live on.Does the bible commit a CHristian to believing that God created the world? So far as I can see, no. — Bartricks
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