No biology, no thoughts! — Raul
I agree, but I'd moved past the eliminativists nearly two decades ago when I'd come across a masterwork on the neuroscience of 'consciousness' titled Being No One by Thomas Metzinger (here's a good summary in this old video lecture). By the way, I very much recommend his more accessible, less technical synopsis The Ego Tunnel. Studying Metzinger's highly counter-intuitive empirical work on 'mind' had reoriented me from an underdetermiined conception of 'consciousness' with his robust phenomenal self model which had then lead me further to read more broadly other 'materialist neurophilosophets' such as, to mention a few,I'm a fan of Paul and Patricia Churchland, who are in fact "eliminative materialists" which involves an even more extreme view - that we should reject all folk psychology terminology. I don't personally see the need for that, but I do believe consciousness will be explained scientifically. — GLEN willows
manifested in a non biological — Benj96
Consciousness is a macroscopic phenomena... — Raul
Yes, consciousness and even the self could be one day created artificially by us... But we re far from that. — Raul
So far consciousness requires a brain, full stop. — Raul
Nope — 180 Proof
Have you ever taken a single university physics course? or read any substantial work on quantum theory by a (popularizing) working physicist? Expertise is not required to refute 'quantum pseudo science' as I point out in the links above. I stand confidently by my "nope". :wink: — 180 Proof
Okay — 180 Proof
What are the intricacies of quantum physics that deem it impossible as a contributor to consciousness? — Benj96
Like you claiming consciousness requires quantum physics to be explained? — Raul
No one is saying quantum physics is not contributing, I'm saying it is not needed to explain consciousness because consciousness is a macro-phenomena — Raul
So instead of bombarding one with arbitrary impenetrable walls of disbelief, perhaps it's better to entertain others, gosh you might actually learn something you didn't know already. — Benj96
Read the people I mentioned in my posts, from what you write it is clear that you will learn a lot — Raul
So far consciousness requires a brain, full stop. — Raul
I'm still struggling with the issues involved with consciousness. The most pressing for me is how - if consciousness isn't entirely a function of the brain, and is somehow outside the brain - that wouldn't invoke the mind-body problem? — GLEN willows
Some panpsychists (like myself) might say that consciousness is a basic property of matter, like charge, spin or mass. That way it's inside your brain without being a function. — bert1
This is my polite way of telling you to go f**k yourself. — GLEN willows
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