Are the child abductions acceptable collateral damage, and so there's nothing further to be done here? — jorndoe
in Northern Uganda, where the Lord’s Resistance Army (LRA) has abducted an estimated 10,000 children since mid-2002. The rate of abductions over the last two years has been the highest of the Northern Ugandan conflict’s 18-year history. — https://www.hrw.org/news/2004/01/29/abduction-children-africa
in Nigeria, the UN estimates that at least 950 students have been abducted from their schools by armed men since December. Over the past six weeks alone, nearly 500 children were abducted in four separate incidents across the central and northwest parts of the country. Many of these children have not yet been returned. It is hard to fathom the pain and fear that their families and loved ones are suffering in their absence.
“In the DRC, in the first quarter of 2021 alone, more than 3,400 violations against children such as recruitment to armed groups, abduction and killing were verified, representing 64 per cent of the total number of violations verified for the entire year of 2020. — https://www.unicef.org.uk/press-releases/concerns-deepen-over-attacks-against-children-and-child-abductions-in-parts-of-west-and-central-africa/
the abduction of children has become a serious and common social problem in Iraq. This summer, a UN report confirmed that 1,496 Iraqi children have been abducted during the past 36 months and few have been seen again. — https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2016/09/child-kidnapping-abduction-iraq.html
Again, propaganda. Collateral damage to what NATO actions? — boethius
seem to be implying that we're holding back some sanction we have available — Isaac
What is this punishment you think we've been holding in reserve — Isaac
seem to be implying that we're holding back some sanction we have available — Isaac
I'm not in particular. — jorndoe
You folk are reading extras into my comments here. — jorndoe
Bomb them too? — Isaac
Are the child abductions acceptable collateral damage, and so there's nothing further to be done here? (To show an extreme limit, I'm guessing no one would nuke Moscow due to this.) — jorndoe
Then I'm afraid the point you're making remains opaque. — Isaac
You folk are reading extras into my comments here. — jorndoe
Across Yemen, 2.2 million children are acutely malnourished, including nearly more than half a million children facing severe acute malnutrition, a life-threatening condition. In addition, around 1.3 million pregnant or nursing mothers are acutely malnourished. — https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/yemen-acute-hunger-unprecedented-levels-funding-dries
I take it then that you downplay that Ukrainian situation, "collateral damage accepted", nothing further to see here? Is that in/correct? — jorndoe
This would be true if any daughter of literally anyone in Russia was murdered by a Ukrainian operation. — boethius
And war policy hawks, even "philosophical" one's like Dugin, are rarely, if ever, some sort of threat. It would be like saying The Project of a New American Century and company, was a threat to Bush since he didn't invade Iran like many were insisting. — boethius
The oligarchs didn't overthrow Putin, the protesters in the streets didn't overthrow Putin, neither the rank and file or the generals, and Dugin is just now next on the list of people that have not overthrown Putin. — boethius
For example, the "meme" of "everything is going to plan," which no Russian official has ever said — boethius
When the offensives started we were made all sorts of promises about Russian lines collapsing, morale so bad the entire Russian army would essentially just disband into the fog, taking Kherson by force and encircling the Russians there (not just Russia withdrawing), and pushing deep into Russian territory all the way back to the Russian border!!
Has that plan happened? — boethius
we were made all sorts of promises about Russian lines collapsing — boethius
How much should Putin + team be allowed to get away with scot-free? — jorndoe
It's not idle ad hoc speculation here, in this thread. — jorndoe
What you call context is indeed downplay/diversion. — jorndoe
In order to respond to my comment (limit'ry), you don't have to wait for evidence; presumably your response wouldn't change. — jorndoe
Maybe a peace criterion could be a guarantee to return all such children otherwise unharmed no later than a month after a cease-fire? (Just tossing something out there.) — jorndoe
Seeing the distance between what people in this discussion think is happening, it seems like any possible talks would have to start with some very basic steps toward living in a shared reality. The Russians would have to explicitly acknowledge that Ukraine is an actual state with the right to protect its sovereignty. — Paine
You can't make peace with someone without acknowledging the existence of said someone. So when Russia signs a peace deal with Ukraine, it will have to recognise Ukraine as a fact. — Olivier5
Stop funding Russia’s nuclear weapons
— Henry Sokolski; The Hill; Nov 13, 2022
:D Like a catch-22 with Rosatom sort of sitting comfortably in the middle. A good time to go green? (OK, with current tech that won't do, I think.) Switch to other import, gradually at least? Where will the produce end up if the imports are canceled? Either way, it seems capitalism and slowness to change have made the decisions for now. — jorndoe
It is a requirement IFF you want to make peace with said entity. Logically speaking, you cannot make peace with a non existing entity, can you? — Olivier5
It's not made so simply by you saying it. — Isaac
You (nor anyone else on this thread) have given absolutely no reasons why Russia would accept any terms at all, let alone the undoing of this 'repatriation' they've apparently just done. — Isaac
the situation with the children has come up among peace criteria and whatnot — jorndoe
I'm saying "wait for evidence" is the response to your question. — Isaac
The answer would be the same. — Isaac
The limits are between what to tolerate and not to tolerate, what they may get away with and not get away with — jorndoe
Acknowledgement of the existence of spurious entities such as 'states' is not a requirement for peace — Isaac
am I then to understand that the situation with the children, by your take, is irrelevant, does not figure in any limitation where
The limits are between what to tolerate and not to tolerate, what they may get away with and not get away with — jorndoe
You can deny them all you like (maybe even come up with a better world without them of some sort), yet that's our present world. — jorndoe
statement "I believe that Russia ought to be in control of all the land up to the Dnieper, but I agree not to shoot or bomb anyone in that area nonetheless". How is that not a peace agreement? — Isaac
You realise that the concept of 'agreement' implies two (2) entities agreeing on something, right? — Olivier5
You realise that the concept of 'agreement' implies two (2) entities agreeing on something, right?
— Olivier5
Yes. The supplicant and the enforcing power. Neither need be a state. — Isaac
What "inforcing power" do you have in mind, and what "supplicant"? The latter term is odd in the context of a negotiation between equals. — Olivier5
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