Focus on the OP!! Jesus, you people are unbelievably bad at philosophy! This place never used to be this bad. — Bartricks
Still no evidence for the existence of the immaterial!But we can't can we? Because in order to exist we must be separate objects occupying individual space that creates opposing perspectives. In order to be exactly the same we have to occupy the same space simultaneously. Otherwise I'm 2 meters away from something whilst you're 1 meter away. And the two perspectives and sensations are fundamentally different. You think it's too hot 1m away from the fire but I 2m away think it's fine. — Benj96
No it's not! It only involves a physical ability to decide to not speak and not tell me your current thoughts. Nothing immaterial is needed.
I don't think we want to get so far off topic that we start to discuss the legal situation as regarding a future neurological ability to mind read. — universeness
You have absolutely no philosophical ability. You don't know what this OP is about, yes? The grey cells won't let you know.
Now, address the op or go away. — Bartricks
We can follow the op or the line of reasoning that emerged out of it. You're not an authority to dictate what ought be discussed as it emerges. What right do you have to command other peoples thoughts? Sure we can created a new thread and maybe we will. In either case it has little to do with you. — Benj96
The guidelines confirm that the TPF moderators require posters to stay in line with the OP.
I would argue that we are, as we are discussing the validity of the concept of the immaterial which is part of what bar tricks wants us to measure as a compatible in his bizarre conflation with dualism.
His points have already evaporated as nonsense based on what members have posted so far on this thread. So, imo, he should be happy that a material/immaterial chat is still on going as his thread died on the first page. If a mod thinks we are too far off the OP, then they only have to say so. Bartricks can PM a request to them. — universeness
Is it not relevant? If my mind is currently unreadable. No one esle can deduce what I'm thinking except me. Is it material? Is it physical? Because as far as I know the materialist view is everything is knowable from objective measurement. So if you cannot objectively measure my mind. What is my mind? Is it material? I doubt it — Benj96
So, are you declaring yourself a dualist — universeness
A panpsychist dualist? You have seemed very reluctant to fly the panpsychist flag, when I have previously asked. — universeness
. I don't think it says anything about existents that can NEVER be detected by human science.
now — universeness
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