GIVE ME LOVE. Sometimes you open your mouth and you don't know what you are going to say, and whatever comes out is the starting point. If that happens and you are lucky - it can usually be turned into a song. This song is a prayer and personal statement between me, the Lord, and whoever likes it. — George Harrison
Give me hope, help me cope with this heavy load
Trying to touch and reach you with heart and soul — George Harrison
I disagree with Epictetus:
“Don’t hope that events will turn out the way you want, welcome events in whichever way they happen: this is the path to peace.” Epictetus. Enchiridion. 8.
— Stoicism
I see hope as a motivational force. Hope for the best, expect or plan for the worse... — Amity
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Success is as dangerous as failure.
Hope is as hollow as fear.
What does it mean that success is a dangerous as failure?
Whether you go up the ladder or down it,
you position is shaky.
When you stand with your two feet on the ground,
you will always keep your balance.
What does it mean that hope is as hollow as fear?
Hope and fear are both phantoms
that arise from thinking of the self.
When we don't see the self as self,
what do we have to fear?
See the world as your self.
Have faith in the way things are.
Love the world as your self;
then you can care for all things. — Tao Te Ching - Stephen Mitchell
Coronavirus: Covid nurses' song of hope from Italy
Hope was the defining element of her song but not every line is positive.
One line - We're fighting this together with you, but don't call us heroes - reflects her response to the singing on balconies in support of health workers.
"They shouted 'You nurses are heroes! You're our saviours!' But we've always been there for people; it shouldn't have taken a situation like this to recognise what we do. I found it incredibly sad. I didn't feel gratified."
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Light up the Rainbow was released last month. It is a poignant time for the song to come out. Bologna is once again in a red zone, with hospitals at breaking point and waiting lists for intensive care.
"The situation's really devastating, but I refuse to be sucked into negativity and pessimism," says Simona. I want to continue with my optimism because I can see a light at the end of this tunnel, just as I see a rainbow." — BBC News - Coronavirus: Covid Nurses' song of hope from Italy
Hope is as hollow as fear. — Tao Te Ching - Stephen Mitchell
Hope destroys fear. — universeness
What you claim here is the gambler's fallacy, that leads to addiction. — unenlightened
I fully recommend addiction to hope! — universeness
"Hope as a feeling?" Pacifer, or placebo, for fearWhat is your experience of hope as a feeling, action or philosophical concept? — Amity
In a foxhole there is no "hope" – there's only courage or tears (or both).Where have you expressed or found it?
More like, as futile as regret.Did you find it 'hollow as fear'?
From Latin for "song" – cantus, cantare, canto – comes, in English, chant, enchant and incantation which connotes, for me, to celebrate or express joy, whether in a major or minor key. So to the degree "the secular" is open to different, even incommensurate, expressions of joy, "the secular is spiritual" as far as I'm concerned (though in practice, far more sectarian or commercial than "spiritual").As someone who lost religious faith some time ago, I wondered about any secular songs about 'hope' and if they could be seen as a kind of 'prayer'. How spiritual is the secular?
Amor fati :hearts:One must learn to love.— This is what happens to us in music: first one has to learn to hear a figure and melody at all, to detect and distinguish it, to isolate it and delimit it as a separate life; then it requires some exertion and good will to tolerate it in spite of its strangeness, to be patient with its appearance and expression, and kindhearted about its oddity:—finally there comes a moment when we are used to it, when we wait for it, when we sense that we should miss it if it were missing: and now it continues to compel and enchant us relentlessly until we have become its humble and enraptured lovers who desire nothing better from the world than it and only it.— But that is what happens to us not only in music: that is how we have learned to love all things that we now love. In the end we are always rewarded for our good will, our patience, fairmindedness, and gentleness with what is strange; gradually, it sheds its veil and turns out to be a new and indescribable beauty:—that is its thanks for our hospitality. Even those who love themselves will have learned it in this way: for there is no other way. Love, too, has to be learned. — Freddy Zarathustra
Or fundamentalism.Hope destroys fear.
— universeness
No hope and fear always arise together; one hopes to win and fears to lose. What you claim here is the gambler's fallacy, that leads to addiction. — unenlightened
:up:I prefer the original meaning of spirit as Carl Sagan described it, 'animated'. — universeness
From Latin for "song" – cantus, cantare, canto – comes, in English, chant, enchant and incantation which connotes, for me, to celebrate or express joy, whether in a major or minor key. — 180 Proof
Success is as dangerous as failure.
Hope is as hollow as fear. — Tao Te Ching - Stephen Mitchell
For decades I've tried to curate my own library of musical joys which, unlike "hope", I find that joy motivates courage. — 180 Proof
Just a little time, a little care
A little note written in the air
Just the little thank you
We just forget to give back
Cause we're moving too fast
Moving too fast
Forgetting to give back
Most elpistologists now agree that hope for a specific outcome involves more than just desire plus the presupposition that the outcome is possible. This paper argues that the additional element of hope is a disposition to focus on the desired outcome in a certain way. I first survey the debate about the nature of hope in the recent literature, offer objections to some important competing accounts, and describe and defend the view that hope involves a kind of focus or attention. I then suggest that this account makes sense of the intuitive thought that there are moral and pragmatic norms on hope that go beyond the norms on desires and modal presuppositions. I conclude by considering some key questions. — Focus Theory of Hope - Andrew Chignell
Hope destroys fear. Hope is far more powerful than love or evil imo. Hope allows you to die, and as you die, you can still maintain a belief that our species will do better in the future. Even those who have experienced holocaust and ethnic cleansing, can demonstrate hope, often, even before they mention love or hate or revenge. — universeness
...hope and fear always arise together; one hopes to win and fears to lose. — unenlightened
One projects oneself into the future, and identifies with the imagined future self. Thus hope and fear arise together as acts of imagination - one fears the worst and hopes for the best. Better to keep the mind silent and stay in the present. On a practical level, of course one has to foresee and prepare - it is the identification that is unnecessary and causes the suffering of hope and fear.
Spirituality is presence, secularity is absence of mind in thought and imagination. — unenlightened
Ok, in that case, I fully recommend addiction to hope! It will destroy your fears!
I remain hopeful that most people can defeat any compulsion to become addicted to gambling.
If some can't, then I remain hopeful that we can put supports in place to 'save' those addicted to gambling. — universeness
We need human spirit yes. But I prefer the original meaning of spirit as Carl Sagan described it, 'animated.' — universeness
I'm not sure what you mean by the identification being unnecessary. Grateful for clarification. — Amity
Didn't get much further than this."If I can't dance, I don't want to be part of your revolution." ~Emma Goldman — 180 Proof
One of her first public talks in support of "the Cause" was in Rochester. After convincing Helena not to tell their parents of her speech, Goldman found her mind a blank once on stage. She later wrote, suddenly:[34]
something strange happened. In a flash I saw it—every incident of my three years in Rochester: the Garson factory, its drudgery and humiliation, the failure of my marriage, the Chicago crime...I began to speak. Words I had never heard myself utter before came pouring forth, faster and faster. They came with passionate intensity...The audience had vanished, the hall itself had disappeared; I was conscious only of my own words, of my ecstatic song.
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While dancing among fellow anarchists one evening, she was chided by an associate for her carefree demeanor. In her autobiography, Goldman wrote:[171]
I told him to mind his own business, I was tired of having the Cause constantly thrown in my face. I did not believe that a Cause which stood for a beautiful ideal, for anarchism, for release and freedom from conventions and prejudice, should demand denial of life and joy. I insisted that our Cause could not expect me to behave as a nun and that the movement should not be turned into a cloister. If it meant that, I did not want it. "I want freedom, the right to self-expression, everybody's right to beautiful, radiant things." — Wiki - Emma Goldman
As much as I think highly of hope, I think you grant it too much power. — Amity
Historical and contemporary exemplification from those who express it, in speech, writing or/and in their creative works and positive actions. This also includes those who express hope despite having gone through terrible trauma. Folks like Doddie Weir, who just died of motor neuron disease, demonstrated nothing but hope towards the defeat of that horrible disease in the future. As do those in the public eye who will continue that hope in his name. A hope filled legacy. There are so many such legacies which should give us all hope for the future. The legacy of Deborah James, the bowel cancer babe is another example.How do you even begin to measure it? — Amity
In a myriad of ways, like those exemplars I just mentioned above. But such examples can also include, authoring a thread about hope on a philosophy website.How do you demonstrate it? — Amity
I wonder if love/desire ( or even hate) is necessary before any hope can take place. — Amity
:up:Any addiction or release from it relies on support. I'm with you there in pragmatic hope :100: — Amity
I don't know much about Sagan or the context in which he uses 'animated'.
Does he say anything about 'hope'? — Amity
That's a bit complex; here is not really the place to go into it, but very briefly, identification is making a connection of identity of any sort I am British, I am aphilosopher, I am going to win the lottery - the underlined are the identities, and the connection is an emotion pride or shame hope or fear. — unenlightened
Success is as dangerous as failure.
Hope is as hollow as fear.
— Tao Te Ching - Stephen Mitchell
These have always been two of my favorite lines from the Tao Te Ching. I've never had any trouble dispensing with hope and understanding why that is important. Fear has always been my problem. Hearing they are the same has always given me hope. Oops. — T Clark
Of course there is a public aspect to identity, such that if the mods think I write nonsense all the time I get thrown off the site, but again, that is only a problem to me to the extent that I am emotionally invested in the identity of philosopher. — unenlightened
I felt disappointed and said so. But perhaps I was wrong. — Amity
"Hope as a feeling?" Pacifer, or placebo, for fear — 180 Proof
That seems a bit negative and wobbly. Can you explain further?"Hope as an action?" Denying risk or improbability. — 180 Proof
"Hope as a philosophical concept?" The essential 'triumph of imagination over intelligence'. — 180 Proof
Where have you expressed or found it?
In a foxhole there is no "hope" – there's only courage or tears (or both). — 180 Proof
Did you find it 'hollow as fear'?
More like, as futile as regret. — 180 Proof
It is sometimes argued that hope is not the best approach to life. I had an art therapist tutor who seemed to regard it as a rather futile pursuit but the problem would be that without hope it may be like giving up. The existentialists, especially Camus, spoke of living with the absurd and despair. This may be valid to some extent but it depends how far it goes. — Jack Cummins
It's hard to maintain a view of the world objectively and speak much about hope. It is a strategy to maintain some semblance of sanity. Otherwise, things are simply too bleak for us. — Manuel
I do want to add though, that being secular too, as I am, can be a profoundly mystical experience. I hesitate to talk about spirituality, given how loaded the word is. — Manuel
But depending on which traditions you follow and how you view the world from a more general perspective, can be a source of very profound experiences. — Manuel
Isn't it a pity
You don't know what i'm talking about yet
But i will tell you soon
It's a pity
Isn't it a pity
Isn't it a shame
Yes, how we break each other's hearts
And cause each other pain
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Some things take so long
But how do i explain
Why not too many people can see
That we are all just the same
We're all guilty
Because of all the tears
Our eyes just can't hope to see
But i don't think it's applicable to me
The beauty that surrounds them
Child, isn't it a pity...
In fact, you mentioned one: music. It is a privilege to be a being that is capable of appreciating such a thing, noise to other creatures, sublime to us.
As with music, many other experiences too. Not sure if this connects with hope, but, worth pointing out. — Manuel
"The situation's really devastating, but I refuse to be sucked into negativity and pessimism," says Simona. I want to continue with my optimism because I can see a light at the end of this tunnel, just as I see a rainbow." — BBC News - Coronavirus: Covid Nurses' song of hope from Italy
So, I try to think about the practical, personal and political aspects in the fullest possible scope. I am trying to cope with the dramas which I encounter practically and on an existential level.i can't speak to the official landlord because he has disappeared in Pakistan. I am trying to get legal advice and trying to find accommodation, which is not easy when so many are looking.
As someone who lost religious faith some time ago, I wondered about any secular songs about 'hope' and if they could be seen as a kind of 'prayer'. How spiritual is the secular?
The lyrics are about hope, love and peace: — Amity
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