I find this “image” to be beyond my ability. — Thinker
For example, how do you deal with the phrase/concept 'change over time'? — Roke
Sure, which supports my position that time is a specific type of change. — Roke
Would it have meant the same thing (to you) if you said you were interested in change? — Roke
I don't know why that would be, unless you're conflating what you know about with how you know it. — Terrapin Station
I think if time were simply change, neither of us would be as interested in it as we are. Indeed, you've given a remarkably uninteresting account of it. Fair enough. If you'd like to elaborate, I'd like to consider. I think the concept includes something extra that is inextricably to do with us. — Roke
I think if time were simply change, neither of us would be as interested in it as we are. Indeed, you've given a remarkably uninteresting account of it. — Roke
However change implies a perceiver – a watcher. — Thinker
?? I don't think we're at all talking about the same thing. You can know about things that aren't you. That's not the same as how you know about them. — Terrapin Station
No, change is just things in motion/in process, etc. That would obtain whether there were any creatures to do any observing. — Terrapin Station
However when I think of change in my life – it is things I observe. — Thinker
You can know about something like a rock, say,. The rock isn't you. How you know about it--your perception, etc., isn't the same thing as what you know about (the rock.). — Terrapin Station
Yeah, when you think about change in your life, but don't be so self-centered. Not everything is about you, or about people in general. — Terrapin Station
You'd have to describe that in some detail in order for there to be any hope of it making sense to me. — Terrapin Station
Where is change happening for you? Physically? Metaphysically? Within space-time? Within experience? — Noble Dust
Sorry - I am not clear about what you are saying. — Thinker
From whose perspective do you want me to think from? Yours – the rock. I cannot get out of my skin. This is the only place I have to think. — Thinker
Meditation can lead to a state of perceived, momentary changelesness. — Noble Dust
The issue is the subject matter, not the perspective. — Terrapin Station
So tell me about the tree falling in the forest that nobody knows about? — Thinker
Why "that no one knows about"? — Terrapin Station
Answer my question and I'll answer yours — Noble Dust
I prefer the general terms Divine, Source, Creator/Creation, etc. I usually try to avoid the "G" word so as to sidestep self-contradiction — 0 thru 9
The tree is symbolic of the vast number of things happening in the universe of which we are unaware. Things that change over time which in relation to us is almost everything. What is the significance of these changes that we are not aware of ? — Thinker
Answer my question and I'll answer yours. — Noble Dust
What does talking about something that no one knows about have to do with what I was talking about though? — Terrapin Station
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