Agree, as per my anesthesia example.Consciousness is unnecessary for life to exist. — Andrew4Handel
Heck no, especially since I heavily doubt the accuracy of such a statement. But you make an assertion, I didn't. You didn't answer the question. Can you demonstrate that consciousness is not identical with anything in the brain, or was that just a wishful assertion?Can you demonstrate that any conscious states are identical to brain states? — Andrew4Handel
No, if I were to assert that brain states are identical to conscious states, then I would have to provide evidence. But I've made no such assertion.If you think brain states are identical to conscious states then you need to provide examples. — Andrew4Handel
Fair enough. You are Andrew one moment, and seconds later you are some 8 year old girl in N Korea singing a song in Korean. That kind of different person. As best as I can describe it using your views, your consciousness gets transferred instantly (or perhaps more subtly during sleep if you balk at the abruptness of the situation) to this very different body, and perhaps the consciousness of that girl switches to the Andrew body so nobody is left a zombie.I mean, what if you suddenly woke up as a different person tomorrow morning. What would that be like? Would you notice?
— noAxioms
You have to define "different person." — Andrew4Handel
OK, you say 'found I had turned into a woman' which suggests that you noticed a change, which means your memory of being male is something you take with you. Memory is part of consciousness in your model, not part of the body. That helps narrow down which view you hold. You (the Korean girl) probably won't recognize her biological mother since that ability went to the Andrew body. You don't know Korean (presumably).If I woke up and found I had turned into a woman that scenario only makes sense if I had the same stream of consciousness as the night before. It is the severing of a stream of consciousness that would cause a loss of identity I assume. — Andrew4Handel
Can you demonstrate that consciousness is not identical with anything in the brain, or was that just a wishful assertion? — noAxioms
An afterlife makes sense only in Buddhism (reincarnation, determined by karma). — Agent Smith
But I know nothing about this afterlife - not its characteristics, requirements, rules, form, expectations - nothing. — Vera Mont
I asked a question. If you think I have made a claim, quote the claim.Can you demonstrate that consciousness is not identical with anything in the brain, or was that just a wishful assertion?
— noAxioms
I think the burden of proof lies with you if you want to disprove this claim. However In what way can it not be proven? — Andrew4Handel
Your reading list is pretty short then. The same could be said of the opposing view.Nothing I have read about the Brain so far is anything like consciousness or its contents. — Andrew4Handel
So the instruments used by doctors to monitor conscious levels or dream states are all fiction. Sure, correlations say the dualists, but they're very detectable. They can detect something like intent before the subject is even aware of it.You can't even detect consciousness in the brain. I have read literature on the search for the correlates of consciousness and literature on brain structure. I see nothing identical with a thought or dream in any of these descriptions.
(..)instruments used by doctors to monitor conscious levels — noAxioms
This is probably based on the Benjamin Libet experiments that are widely debated and controversial and are actually only coherent on a dualist paradigm.They can detect something like intent before the subject is even aware of it. — noAxioms
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