Philosophy attempting to make things intelligible or does it have no boundaries on what position is reached or defended? — Andrew4Handel
why is private property any less extreme then the idea of not having private property? — Tobias
Of course it has no boundaries. Where would they come from, philosophy, no? — Tobias
It is extreme to go against the current wide spread acceptance of private property. — Andrew4Handel
By extreme I did not mean incorrect but making claims that would challenge norms or suggest we need to change our views or action radically. — Andrew4Handel
I think nihilism makes the meaning of philosophy fail. We accept certain meanings to communicate. — Andrew4Handel
Why? Once it was extreme going against the widely held belief in God or witches... Once it was considered extreme to think that homosexuality should not be outlawed — Tobias
Is there anyone that really held such a view? I think certain philosophical positions are incoherent. I do not think they are 'extreme', just incoherent. — Tobias
Do you consider any philosophical position extreme and with disturbing or bizarre consequence? — Andrew4Handel
:up:I think certain philosophical positions are incoherent. I do not think they are 'extreme', just incoherent. — Tobias
These are caricatures (as you express them) or coubterfactual thought-experiments, not "extremes".Do you consider any philosophical position extreme and with disturbing or bizarre consequence?
Some positions fitting this description might be. [ ... ] — Andrew4Handel
Not really because no matter what the position people seem to hold, as soon as they leave the keyboard or the class room, they mostly enter the quotidian world of realism, cause and effect, common sense, and ordinary moral agreements. — Tom Storm
That makes philosophy seem a bit like a game where people hold positions for fun or out of curiosity. — Andrew4Handel
I must have the wrong map, then. — Joshs
As a moral nihilist (currently not permanently, hopefully) I think saying that Genocide or slavery is wrong is meaningless. — Andrew4Handel
Most nihilists I've known have mortgages, send their kids to good schools, tend to their garden and are fond of food. Just saying.. — Tom Storm
But I think it is likely you would not feel comfortable or want to gun down children even if you were allowed. We're a social species, we have empathy, we are part of a culture of agreements and values and options which intellectual positions don't readily override. — Tom Storm
But that doesn't apply to me. — Andrew4Handel
I don't have a desire to gun down children but the Nazis did. Atrocities happen because someone humans wanted to do them. — Andrew4Handel
Do you consider any philosophical position extreme and with disturbing or bizarre consequence? — Andrew4Handel
God worship and dogmatism bothers me. — god must be atheist
Moral skepticism does not exist. — god must be atheist
I have actually lived as a nihilist (I won't go into details) — Andrew4Handel
As a moral nihilist (currently not permanently, hopefully) I think saying that Genocide or slavery is wrong is meaningless. It may be that as with tsunamis and the rest of nature extreme brutality and harm is just a feature of nature which is neither good nor bad It means moral values are personal preferences, sentiments, and emotions but that nothing "wrong" has ever happened and that we probably cannot justify prisons or punishments and telling people how they ought to behave. — Andrew4Handel
I agree in a sense, it is literally quotidian. It happens with regularity and the anomolies are rare by comparison. But the everyday is really weird. I mean, really weird. There's something rather than nothing. We have internal experiences. People get big puffy less mobile and expressive lips from surgery and most people do not treat this as odd. Time seems to speed up as we age. There are very plastic seeming people with dull eyes and others with so much life seething in there. If you really pay attention to realism, it's weird. If you busy yourself with errands and distractions or have to, well, we're used to it and it's also a bit disturbing.Not really because no matter what the position people seem to hold, as soon as they leave the keyboard or the class room, they mostly enter the quotidian world of realism, cause and effect, common sense, and ordinary moral agreements. — Tom Storm
But the everyday is really weird. I mean, really weird. There's something rather than nothing. We have internal experiences. — Bylaw
People get big puffy less mobile and expressive lips from surgery and most people do not treat this as odd. Time seems to speed up as we age — Bylaw
If you really pay attention to realism, it's weird. — Bylaw
I found them weird long before I got interested in philosophy.They don't strike me as weird as they reflect lived experience. But I understand philosophers may find them weird. — Tom Storm
I'm not arguing it's not real, even, but I often think it isn't what it seems like or, perhaps better put, if I pay attention it doesn't even seem like what it seems like. I just think it's weird. I do realize that weird should be in contrast with some kind of norm, but...it all seems very weird to me.No question. I would not say realism is 'true' (I dislike this word) but I would say we are mostly compelled to live as though it were real. — Tom Storm
Do you consider any philosophical position extreme and with disturbing or bizarre consequence? — Andrew4Handel
As do I. A vague distaste for "extreme philosophy" being something for real men to get into, balls deep.Also I find thee list odd. — Tobias
Do you mean most people have moral attitudes and opinions? I would agree with that. — Andrew4Handel
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