It's been a long time since I did drugs, to be sure, it's a fine way to be shown the arbitrariness of the world. However there's plenty of folk who have tried to walk through a tree after eating those mushrooms from around Dorrigo. The result is not supernatural abilities, but a bloody nose. Reality doesn't care what drugs you take. — Banno
...the propositional character of empirical reality is a dualistic collective representation, which may dissolve when one is in an altered state of consciousness.. — Janus
..what goes next? — Banno
Of course it is. That's obvious to the point of being trite. But you still only get the bloody nose.
Try this: You are roughly right, Janus; so what goes next? — Banno
You only get the bloody nose if you are stupid, and as I say I've never seen or heard of anyone so stupid. — Janus
Just going to note that "what come's next?" is a question for after the trip, when you have to... well, do the things. work, or whatever it is.
What comes next after realizing the world is not dualistic, and propositions are a collective representation? — Moliere
after enlightenment, mountains are once again mountains and waters once again waters.” — Janus
Perhaps I've been there, procured the T-shirt, taken the selfie and am back to seeing the mountains as mountains and waters as waters.You have it all wrong, mate. You're like a man who refuses to open his eyes and then complains that he can't see what everyone around him is talking about. It's all around you; it's just a non-dual way of seeing that cannot be captured by language. Perhaps the best thing for you would be to drop some acid, and then see if you can communicate what you've experienced. That should open your mind at least a little. As Dylan says "Don't criticize what you can't understand". — Janus
with conditions that they wanted an answer in twenty words of less, back-of-envelope style. Now the question might be understood as asking how we knowledge claims are justified, but it is doubtful that any such general account could be given - there are as many different justifications as there are knowledge claims. They may have been asking how reference works, another topic not amenable to brief answers. Or they may have been asking about truth, which when pressed is the answer I gave. oN the left of the truth sentence is a sentence being talked about, on the right is a sentence being used, and the truth sentence shows the connection to be truth-functional.how epistemic connections work between knowledge claims and objects in the world. — Constance
The left side is about a proposition, the right side is about how things are. — Banno
↪Banno Isn't this like the correspondence theory of truth? More suited to matters which can be resolved empirically? — Tom Storm
↪Tom Storm It works for any sentence, empirical or otherwise. — Banno
Propositional statements aim to stay a step ahead of ineffability by capturing anything sayable within a formal logic of use. But the very formality of the logic, with its presuppositions of extant, persisting symbolic meanings ,neutral , external connectors (is , iff) and activities of shuffling and coordination achieves its triumph over ineffability at the expense of meaninglessness. — Joshs
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