For example I could identify as a Police Officer. Is that problematic? — Andrew4Handel
Is it problematic if identify as the worlds greatest painter and just think I am an attractive genius? — Andrew4Handel
do personal identities (which could include religious identities) have a special status and should they be challenged? — Andrew4Handel
Am I undermining the police force? — Andrew4Handel
Obviously we probably cannot stop someone from mentally identifying as anything in the privacy of the mind but do personal identities (which could include religious identities) have a special status and should they be challenged? — Andrew4Handel
So yes, you can challenge leaders, trusted people, loved people and feared people, but do be wary of the potential consequences. — god must be atheist
People identify others in particular ways and not always fairly. — praxis
if you don't believe their self-professed identities, how did they ever become leaders, trusted people, loved people and feared people? — Vera Mont
And why do you take it as given that I don't believe their self-professed identities? — god must be atheist
Or identified a gender that doesn’t traditionally match their biology, making it quite clear that we can all make such distinctions, even from an early age — praxis
Should we be able to identify however we like? Would that be problematic and is there an ethical dimension? Should identities be challenged?
For example I could identify as a Police Officer. Is that problematic? Does it entail I should have to do some police work? Am I undermining the police force?
Is it problematic if identify as the worlds greatest painter and just think I am an attractive genius?
Obviously we probably cannot stop someone from mentally identifying as anything in the privacy of the mind but do personal identities (which could include religious identities) have a special status and should they be challenged? — Andrew4Handel
And why do you (Vera Mont) take it as given that I don't believe their self-professed identities? — god must be atheist
In accordance with the OP question, that's what is being challenged. — Vera Mont
No, it is knowingly, deliberately and demonstrably false. — Vera Mont
Many people have many delusions and self-delusions. They are not considered crimes or misdemeanours, and only sometimes considered mental illness. — Vera Mont
Is it problematic if identify as the worlds greatest painter and just think I am an attractive genius? — Andrew4Handel
You’re only taking one side of the social agreements into account. People identify others in particular ways and not always fairly. In fact it is often done deliberately in order to subjugate or take advantage of others. — praxis
The "identity is a two-way street" thing goes the other way, too. How you project yourself out into the world influences how others think of you. It isn't the only factor, but it's a strong one. This is why conmen and snakeoil salesmen exist. — tomatohorse
That is a good point but I was talking about personal identities as opposed to imposed identities, social identities and stereotypes. — Andrew4Handel
I would argue that it's coming from the same underlying root though. — tomatohorse
If a man looks like a man but behaves exactly like a woman then we tend to think of them as a man in appearance and a woman in gender. — praxis
The intent to deceive? — praxis
I don't have a gender identity and apparently that is being called "Agender." — Andrew4Handel
You’re Agender but don’t identify as Agender? :chin: — praxis
Now imagine someone walks by, looks at your artwork, and says, "This isn't great art. Why, my 5 year-old can draw better than this. And for the record, [some other artist] is the best artist in the world."
Is this person entitled to their opinion? Of course. Should they be allowed to express that opinion? Yes. Equally as much as you can express yours. — tomatohorse
Many people have many delusions and self-delusions. They are not considered crimes or misdemeanours, and only sometimes considered mental illness. — Vera Mont
What are the ramifications of this? In your opinion. If you care to comment? — Andrew4Handel
I used the Police officer example to suggest how personal identities can be problematic and that we might want to (pardon the pun) Police them. — Andrew4Handel
This is an example of how there are (at least) two identities at play in any social interaction. The self-concept of an individual (how he sees himself), and the other-concept of the person interacting with him. — tomatohorse
Why would anyone's job-description be their personal identity? — Vera Mont
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