• SophistiCat
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    I woke up this morning with this playing in my head... and it still is.
    Reveal
  • Jamal
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    Telekinesis by Tyondai Braxton, released yesterday.
  • SophistiCat
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    Truly unhinged:Noble Dust

    LOL, yeah!
  • Noble Dust
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    I love that knifepoint between late romanticism and early modernism. I'd like to live there.
  • Amity
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    I woke up this morning with this playing in my head... and it still is.SophistiCat

    I've been thinking about this since you wrote it.
    I woke up this morning with an earworm but not any dangling from the Prophet Bird.
    And I wondered what is it about music that has that effect on our brain or mind.
    I guess it's the recurrence of a motif. Is that all? Why does some music resonate more than others?
    Does the impression depend on the listener's mental state or brain rhythm already going on?
    What do you hear that I can't?

    I've listened to Schumann's piece 3 times now. The first time, my ears didn't get it at all.
    No idea how this could enter my skull and stick there. Nada.

    I think I understood the lightness of the beginning as being that of the bird, then I heard a change at about 1:20. It reminded me of a hymn, and the repetition there is the bit that is going round my head right now.

    So then I looked it up:
    https://www.henle.de/us/music-column/schuhmann-jahr-2010/schumann-anniversary-2010/the-prophet-bird/
    Most interesting with links to the score and Goethe no less:
    In this middle section Schumann quotes, and certainly not as a coincidence, a part from his “Scenes from Goethe’s Faust” that he composed at about the same time, namely the “Chor Seliger Knaben” (the quote is underlined)
    :
    PATER SERAPHICUS, mittlere Region.
    Welch ein Morgenwölkchen schwebet
    Durch der Tannen schwankend Haar?
    Ahn ich, Was im Innern lebet?
    Es ist junge Geisterschar.
    CHOR SELIGER KNABEN.
    Sag uns, Vater, wo wir wallen,
    Sag uns, Guter, wer wir sind!
    Glücklich sind wir: allen, allen
    Ist das Dasein so gelind.
    Sag uns, Vater, wo wir wallen,
    sag uns, Guter, wer wir sind.

    You can listen to this part of the composition HERE .
    Simply for inspiration, I added the lyrics to the music in the new Urtext edition: Sample pages
    Schumann - The Prophet Bird

    ... and this:

    Consequently, Schumann’s pedal markings are an intended and important part of the composition. But hardly any musician respects them. Next to Clara Haskil’s recording (also on YouTube) that many piano enthusiasts rightly favor, there are at least (only?) two further recordings that not only follow Schumann’s original intentions, including the important and sophisticated pedal markings, but are also wonderfully expressive. One was recently released on CD; a recording by Andreas Staier [Robert Schumann: "Hommage à Bach". Harmonia Mundi France HMC 901989] whose play on an Erard grand piano succeeds in communicating the enchantment of this piece. The other recording is by Wilhelm Backhaus. There are both a studio and a live recording by Backhaus, both made in the 1950s. Everything here is perfect. The live recording from Carnegie Hall with "The Prophet Bird" as an encore is especially great (it sets in at 2:10, following a breathtaking performance of Chopin’s Etude op. 25/2 in f minor and an intriguingly improvised modulation to the Schumann piece): Video no longer availableSchumann - The Prophet Bird

    Pity the Carnegie Hall video is no longer available.
    Thanks for the introduction. I might listen again...if it doesn't drive me crazy trying to think...
    Any idea as to the hymn it reminds me of?

    Best now just to listen without thinking. Simply to feel it :sparkle:
  • Amity
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    Pity the Carnegie Hall video is no longer available.Amity
    @SophistiCat
    Found this. The Schumann piece comes in just after rapturous applause at 11:00. (if I hear right!)

    Wilhelm Backhaus at age 72 in splendid form, giving four encores during a Carnegie Hall recital in New York in 1956. Starting with some preluding to establish the key of the next piece, he plays:
    - Schubert's Impromptu in B flat major Opus 142 no. 3, D935;
    - Chopin's Etude Opus 25 no. 2 in F minor;
    - Schumann's "Vogel als Prophet", from his Waldszenen Opus 82;
    - Mozart's Rondo alla Turca from his Sonata no. 11 in A major, KV331
    Backhaus - 4 encores at Carnegie Hall, 1956


  • Amity
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    Another bird; another time, place and person. Beautiful and never forgotten :sparkle:
    With nod and thanks to @tim wood for this introduction, about a year ago:



    ***
    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/599220

    And Hillary Hahn in my opinion in a class even beyond these, they mainly about allowing Bach's structures to be as accessible as possible. Hahn, on the other hand, about rendering the feeling in the music, seeking it, finding it, studying and understanding it, performing it.

    As if, in going to church of a Sunday to hear a sermon, one encountered the voice of God itself!

    Here:
    Furtwangler
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJG5A-klfgE

    Kleiber:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKcAAA1O2sc

    Zander
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3EiRynr1Us

    Tureck:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XoAJ98PbDM

    Biggs:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E_peLhyksQ&list=OLAK5uy_n_ngZQXiZXethaXN2SWX-IoKE6WKfGOBA
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_XmdFE-7dM

    Hahn:
    Sibelius
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O65YBjweUPo&t=741s
    Three mini-presentations
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICGFmN85J50
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OwULR_YkJk
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=015QVOO-5Ek
    Lark Ascending
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOWN5fQnzGk
    — tim wood
  • SophistiCat
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    I've been thinking about this since you wrote it.
    I woke up this morning with an earworm but not any dangling from the Prophet Bird.
    And I wondered what is it about music that has that effect on our brain or mind.
    I guess it's the recurrence of a motif. Is that all? Why does some music resonate more than others?
    Does the impression depend on the listener's mental state or brain rhythm already going on?
    What do you hear that I can't?
    Amity

    Earworms are funny things. Often after listening to a number of pieces, such as Schumann's Waldszenen, what gets into my head is not what drew me most while I was listening. Other times I am only semi-aware of the music in my ears while I am occupied with something else. But then, after an incubation period of about 8-16 hours, some "little phrase" or entire pages worth of music hatch in my head and won't quiet down for the rest of the day (or night).

    Found this. The Schumann piece comes in just after rapturous applause at 11:00. (if I hear right!)

    Wilhelm Backhaus at age 72 in splendid form, giving four encores during a Carnegie Hall recital in New York in 1956. Starting with some preluding to establish the key of the next piece, he plays:
    - Schubert's Impromptu in B flat major Opus 142 no. 3, D935;
    - Chopin's Etude Opus 25 no. 2 in F minor;
    - Schumann's "Vogel als Prophet", from his Waldszenen Opus 82;
    - Mozart's Rondo alla Turca from his Sonata no. 11 in A major, KV331
    Amity

    Thanks for this, I loved it! (Interesting how he improvises little transitions between the pieces, as if walking from one to the next.)
  • SophistiCat
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    I love that knifepoint between late romanticism and early modernism. I'd like to live there.Noble Dust

    At about the same time (1900s) Ives asked a question that is now stuck in my head. Does anyone know the answer? ;)

    Reveal
  • Noble Dust
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    Spare yourself the mental energy.
  • SophistiCat
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    That's harsh. No love for Ives?


    Berg - Violin concerto To the Memory of an Angel


    The conclusion is just heartbreaking.
  • Jamal
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    I recently discovered Escalator Over the Hill by Carla Bley, Paul Haines, and the Jazz Composer’s Orchestra, from 1967. Weird and wonderful, I love it. It’s like some kind of prog jazz (in the rock sense of progressive, not the Stan Kenton third stream sense).
  • Jamal
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    The only piece by Boulez that I really enjoy, probably because he abandoned serialism to do it. Rituel in Memoriam Bruno Maderna.

  • Jamal
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    Ligeti - Six Bagatelles

  • SophistiCat
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    :up: I loved that video (and music too, of course).
  • Jamal
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    At first, when I saw they were dancing around, I was sceptical. But yeah, it works!
  • SophistiCat
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    Richard Strauss - Metamorphosen (1945)


    Composed in the final weeks of the war, when the composer's world was crumbling around him. If the theme sounds vaguely familiar, listen carefully: about 3/4 of the way in, and then again at the very conclusion of the piece the source of the theme is revealed.
    Reveal
    It is the funeral march from Beethoven's Eroica symphony
  • deletedmemberbcc
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    Marcus Miller- Free (2007)

    The title track is awesome :love:



    (Marcus Miller featuring Corinne Bailey Rae- Free)
  • Tom Storm
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    Richard Strauss - Metamorphosen (1945)

    Composed in the final weeks of the war, when the composer's world was crumbling around him. If the theme sounds vaguely familiar, listen carefully: about 3/4 of the way in, and then again at the very conclusion of the piece the source of the theme is revealed.
    SophistiCat

    Me too. I love it. Mine is a von Karajan recording. I heard it first in 1985 and used to drive through winding mountain roads to our country place with it on.

    Also:

  • SophistiCat
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    Powerful stuff. Ewig...
  • SophistiCat
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    Sometimes I find Modernist art more "interesting" than actually satisfying to watch/read/listen, and this goes for some of Varèse that I have listened to. But this one I liked:

    Edgard Varèse - Amériques
  • Amity
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    Some blues...kinda...

    Nina Simone - I Am Blessed


    classical:

    Sergei Prokofiev - Troika from "Lieutenant Kijé"
  • Amity
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    Thanks to @Jamal's recommendations, commenting on the short story 'Nightmare in D Minor':
    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/13826/nightmare-in-d-minor

    Terry Riley - 'The Dream' for justly tuned piano - Live in Rome 1999



    Commissioned by the Kanagawa Foundation, 'The Dream' is a lengthy improvisatory piece for solo piano in just intonation. It is something of a sequel to Terry Riley's 1985 cycle 'The Harp of New Albion', also for justly tuned piano. This recording is from the work's premiere performance where Riley joined Philip Glass, Michael Harrison, and Charlemagne Palestine in an evening concert of selections of each composer's music for piano.

    Performed by the composer.
    Recorded live at the Palazzo delle Esposizioni in Rome, Italy on November 20th 1999.
  • Jamal
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    :up: :cool:
  • Amity
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    I'm still listening...it's wonderful. Amazing. God I love this place :fire:
  • Jamal
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    Awesome :blush:
  • SophistiCat
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    Stravinsky allegedly said about his violin concerto that he wanted to write "a music that would have no emotional resonance." What a load of crock! It's pure joy.
    Reveal


    Also this:
    Reveal
  • deletedmemberbcc
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    Johnny Coltrane- Mr PC :fire: :fire: :fire:

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