you've just admitted you don't have an issue with tabloids sexually objectifying kids because there's no objective right or wrong. — WhiskeyWhiskers
I don't have a problem with it because (a) I think that "objectification" concepts are nonsensical, (b) I'm a free speech absolutist, and (c) I'm very pro-(libertine) sex. — Terrapin Station
Well mine seems to be going very strong BC, so I'm not sure about that. But then I'm not a fan of TED. I rarely if ever watch TED talks, I actually hate them. I just gave that video since it contains references to scientific literature all in one place that you can check by yourself.Are you aware that watching an excessive number of TED talks will cause your dick to fall off? — Bitter Crank
Yes I remember that. That's the story of the gal who has a stroke and somehow manages to dial a friend in time to save herself. Regardless, that was a physical event that she was recounting. In this case, the lecture is based upon scientific studies, which is exactly why I've linked it. It has a lot of resources in one place.One of my favorite Ted talks, A STROKE OF INSIGHT by Jill Bolte Taylor is really informative and inspiring. — Bitter Crank
Well let's see BC, is decreased willpower, numbed pleasure response and sexual hyperreactivity part of those effects you want stuck on your brain? I don't know man, but if that's your cup of coffee, what can I do? ;)So, porn having an effect on the brain is saying no more than riding a bike for 2 hours has an effect on the brain,. — Bitter Crank
(a) ah, the I-don't-understand-it-so-it-must-be-bullshit-even-though-other-reasonable-people-get-it stance ( — WhiskeyWhiskers
Of course they do man! Are you kidding me? Most guys probably watch porn by the age of 10 if not even earlier! For example, the first time I watched porn I was ~12 in a computer room - many guys gathered to see the good shit together my dawg >:O And keep in mind that back then technology was very backward. Now, I can't even imagine! They're probably seeing it even when they're 7!(a) kids are watching so much porn that they have a veritable mental catalog of porn actors at their disposal — Terrapin Station
Okay let me tell you how it happens. Some kid will ask "Umm what's ur mommy and daddy doing?!", and you'll answer. If your mommy is a porn actress, then obviously you won't be like "Oh my mommy shags men on camera". You'll say she's something else, like a pilot for example. Soon the news of that will spread. Sooner or later, people will be coming to your house, etc. etc. and realise that your mommy can't be a pilot or whatever you said. Soon they'll start researching, and be extremely curious why you haven't said the truth. Someone will find out, and you'll be fucked.(b) most fellow students know everyone's parents, and — Terrapin Station
Common bro, if there's this absolutely stunning, jaw-dropping girl in your high school or university, what's the first thing you'll do? Research who she is! Maybe she's a model or something, afterall she's too hot! When I was at university that's how one of my friends found out that this girl he wanted to shag had taken nude pictures online. Even though it was under a different name (well nickname really), he still found the pics!(c) most porn actors are very easy to recognize in person — Terrapin Station
They will find out man. Kids are very inventive, trust me. If you think you can fool your kids, you're dumb. Kids are always one step ahead of you when it comes to this stuff, because you always underestimate them, while they always overestimate you. They're better prepared.A lot of porn actors' kids probably have no idea what they do for a living. — Terrapin Station
They certainly have better physiques than your average person, otherwise they wouldn't be in porn in the first place, especially the women.A lot of porn actors aren't unusually hot re how they look going about their mundane business. — Terrapin Station
No, I don't watch it, I hope you can tell me more though >:)You know that a huge percentage of porn is fetish porn, including chubby women, mature women, very average looking women, etc., right? — Terrapin Station
I consume plenty of porn, so yeah. — Terrapin Station
Well, or that it's a nonsensical concept even if you're not the only person fond of it. In other words, whether it's nonsense has nothing to do with how popular it is. — Terrapin Station
For (b) I didn't say I wasn't issuing a moral stance. That is my moral stance re speech. — Terrapin Station
For (c), I hate ageism, but otherwise, yes, basically. — Terrapin Station
That's not what I was saying though, is it? My point wasn't that it's true because lots of people believe it. My point was that it's not nonsense because clearly other reasonable people can make sense of it - something you have admitted you can't do. — WhiskeyWhiskers
You said, in other words, that it's morally acceptable for anyone to say anything, no matter how objectionable, because you're a free speech absolutist. I could also be a free speech absolutist, but I could at the same time have extreme moral disagreements with what other people say. — WhiskeyWhiskers
Does that mean you don't believe in age of consent laws? — WhiskeyWhiskers
The argument from a porn watcher they are only looking at and thinking about a hot image is first order bullshit. They're thinking about someone else and, in some way, how they are significant. — TheWillowOfDarkness
Thanks Nietzsche.I think humans are in a unique position. We're in some kind of transition phase between animals and, what I call, something higher. — TheMadFool
But what's their purpose? Are they some kind of anomaly? Don't they serve any function?Wouldn't the world be a better place without the passions? — anonymous66
(Y)I'd hinge consent on ability, not age. — Terrapin Station
Maybe they're not interested in politics, ever thought of that? Objectification comes into play when someone's not recognized as a person which doesn't happen just because their approach and outlook are ignored and focus is on a part of their physical appearance. I'd argue that if you view politicians as just bunches of policies and political views, then you're objectifying them.Do they recognise her a person who makes legitimate (whether it be good or terrible) policy and has a role governing the country? — TheWillowOfDarkness
1. Porn actors are free to change their jobs and porn industry is legal and regulated, the stigma that comes with it is assumed and may be itself the problem. — Noblosh
2. People can make an addiction from virtually anything. — Noblosh
3. You mean: porn as an addiction has long-standing effects on the brain but so does any other addiction. — Noblosh
The stigma is inevitable.1. Porn actors are free to change their jobs and porn industry is legal and regulated, the stigma that comes with it is assumed and may be itself the problem. — Noblosh
So what? Porn is addictive by its very nature, it is impossible to dabble in porn and not be addicted.2. People can make an addiction from virtually anything. — Noblosh
Yes, and we should fight against all addictions, including porn.3. You mean: porn as an addiction has long-standing effects on the brain but so does any other addiction. — Noblosh
No. Case closed.4. Isn't that such a naive and immature point of view anyway? — Noblosh
Yes, and we should fight against all addictions, including porn. — Agustino
>:O It would be, but nobody, including the moderators, have the power to close threads :PWord. Thread closed?... — Noble Dust
They do it because they choose to and in the same way they can quit.What's the impetus for your idea here that porn actors are "free to change their jobs"? — Noble Dust
Anything that gives a rush of dopamine and considering how variable and diverse human preferences are, any prefered activity can become an addiction, for example, exercising.What does virtually everything entail? — Noble Dust
Sure.Yeah...definitely... — Noble Dust
Why fight against addiction but not against stigma? Isn't addiction also inevitable?The stigma is inevitable. — Agustino
Untrue, where did you even get that idea from?it is impossible to dabble in porn and not be addicted. — Agustino
Yes, but again, it's not as if porn is an addiction in itself.Yes, and we should fight against all addictions, including porn. — Agustino
Then maybe educate people if they themselves can't grasp that much. They need to know the downsides, clear facts, not the theory that it's wicked and deplorable and should be banned, that doesn't tell them much.No. — Agustino
They do it because they choose to and in the same way they can quit.
They're not forced to do it more than any other wage labourer is. — Noblosh
Anything that gives a rush of dopamine and considering how variable and diverse human preferences are, any prefered activity can become an addiction, for example, exercising. — Noblosh
Sure. — Noblosh
Is watching porn inevitable?Isn't addiction also inevitable? — Noblosh
Can you sniff cocaine and not be addicted?Untrue, where did you even get that idea from? — Noblosh
I have provided you with a video containing the facts. Have you watched it?Then maybe educate people if they themselves can't grasp that much. They need to know the downsides, clear facts, not the theory that it's wicked and deplorable and should be banned, that doesn't tell them much. — Noblosh
If you think I'm wrong you should give me studies to refute my argument and drive home my ignorance.Ok, links of studies to drive home your point? — Noble Dust
Addictions are defined as negative. Or at least that's how I understand this definition:So are addictions positive? Neutral? Negative? — Noble Dust
a brain disorder characterized by compulsive engagement in rewarding stimuli despite adverse consequences
If you think I'm wrong you should give me studies to refute my argument and drive home my ignorance. — Noblosh
I don't even get the perception that the porn industry is forceful but I get that it can be overbearing and inconsiderate. — Noblosh
Can you sniff cocaine and not be addicted? — Agustino
Are those rhetorical questions? If yes, you're doing it wrong.The difference being? — Noble Dust
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