If you punch someone back after they punch you? Are you any better than them? — Benj96
But if you're really a good person, would you seek revenge on bad people for being bad? Or allow the judiciary system to do it for you either through monetary compensation or prison time etc. — Benj96
The principle is found in Babylonian Law.[6][7] If it is surmised that in societies not bound by the rule of law, if a person was hurt, then the injured person (or their relative) would take vengeful retribution on the person who caused the injury. The retribution might be worse than the crime, perhaps even death. Babylonian law put a limit on such actions, restricting the retribution to be no worse than the crime, as long as victim and offender occupied the same status in society. — Wikipedia
If you punch someone back after they punch you? Are you any better than them?
If you don't punch them back, and think of yourself as superior or elite because you can practice self restraint, this looking down on them, if you believe you are no longer equals, are you any better than them? — Benj96
And then in society at large we call it justice, and it's represented by a balance of weights, like an equilibrium. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. — Benj96
We accept this form of justice because "good people" or at least "law abiding citizens" can be sure that if they are harmed by bad or unlawful people, bad things will happen to those people on your behalf. — Benj96
would the best citizens not be those who endure punishment despite having done nothing wrong, and then "forgive and forget". — Benj96
The strange thing there is that if someone forgives and forgets when they get stolen from - say a few hundred bucks, it's admirable to a lot of people. — Benj96
All the legal system can offer you in return for you being harmed by another, is revenge of some form. — Benj96
Money and damages can be revoked/returned by man upon introduction of knowledge forthcoming/a larger picture. Life cannot. — Outlander
If you punch someone back after they punch you? Are you any better than them? — Benj96
At the most basic level of understanding, justice is understood differently by Aboriginal people. The dominant society tries to control actions it considers potentially or actually harmful to society as a whole, to individuals or to the wrongdoers themselves by interdiction, enforcement or apprehension, in order to prevent or punish harmful or deviant behaviour. The emphasis is on the punishment of the deviant as a means of making that person conform, or as a means of protecting other members of society.
The purpose of a justice system in an Aboriginal society is to restore the peace and equilibrium within the community, and to reconcile the accused with his or her own conscience and with the individual or family who has been wronged. This is a primary difference. It is a difference that significantly challenges the appropriateness of the present legal and justice system for Aboriginal people in the resolution of conflict, the reconciliation and the maintenance of community harmony and good order.
So it's good to hate? To hold grudges? To fantasise about all the types of revenge and punishment? — Benj96
Okay. Unfortunately, the Manitoba Implementation of justice Committee submitted this report in 1999. Perhaps they should have called the report First Nations Approach to Crime and Misconduct, but it's too late to set them straight.There is one concept of justice. There is disagreement about precisely what answers to it. — Bartricks
Jane 'deserves' X, does not mean the same as "we ought to give Jane X". — Bartricks
A rapist deserves to be raped (according to the lex talionis). — Bartricks
Regarding a rasha, a Hebrew term for the hopelessly wicked, the Talmud clearly states: mitzvah lisnoso—one is obligated to hate him."
The term "mitzvah" means commandment, indicating it is sinful not to hate the wicked. Love is a sin in such circumstances. — Hanover
If there was no deterrent to crime, we could not have a safe society. — khaled
Personally, I think forgiveness is only virtuous if the criminal has changed. — khaled
The main point of eye for an eye is deterrence, if it doesn't do that, then what's the point? — khaled
Forgiveness is of course the real virtue, but it is a much more complicated concept than it is often given credit for. — Tzeentch
What does deserving something entail then? — khaled
Not necessarily. They deserve a punishment comparable to being raped. Like multiple years in prison (whether or not that is actually comparable I am not sure). Which they get. — khaled
Punishment, and severity of punishment have never stopped people breaking the law. — Vera Mont
Punishment and rejection further alienate an already disaffected member of society; severe punishment can turn him into an active enemy of the existing structure. — Vera Mont
To imprison large numbers of disaffected men in harsh conditions for years on end is to build a hostile army in the very heart of one's nation. — Vera Mont
I wonder whether as societies grow larger, they are less able to take into consideration the needs of their individual members, because it seems as though the gap between reality and societal norms increases. — Tzeentch
I wonder whether as societies grow larger, they are less able to take into consideration the needs of their individual members, because it seems as though the gap between reality and societal norms increases. — Tzeentch
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