what would you suggest in lieu? — Benj96
when we look as subjective actors upon the world, it is an illusion, because inner and outer are not a dualistic split. — Jack Cummins
The 'I' may be like an underlying reflective narrator, as an aspect of subjectivity. The 'I'in being able to observe in the process of making meaning out of the various experiences. This 'I' as a central aspect of thinking was what lead Descartes to the, 'I think, therefore I am', may be what lead to the position of dualism. — Jack Cummins
Part of the importance of viewing others as subjects rather than simply as objects is recognising their values and meanings — Jack Cummins
'By now you should have got to the stage of just seeing other people as objects, like chairs and tables'. I simply didn't know what to say, to a careers officer who had such a philosophy approach... — Jack Cummins
It seems to me like every object is a subject and every subject is an object to some non-zero degree. It seems to be one of those things in the universe that has two opposing but complimentary sides, like cause and effect (every effect is a cause and every cause is an effect). These type of things at first are a little trickier to think about and parse than the average thing since they can't exist on their own (like magnetic monopoles). — punos
My disagreement to OP is that "I" as consciousness and "I" as a body are not on the same level of "me" as being. — TheMadMan
So, there is content-less subjectivity as pure awareness which through attention it interacts with matter thus creating the 'self' (reflective narrator), which is enacted in mind-body — TheMadMan
If they are not the same surely they can be separated? — Benj96
Can we take away ones consciousness without affecting their body in any way? Can we take away ones body without affecting their conscious experience in any way? — Benj96
If they are truly separable, then we are talking about the afterlife. Where one's sense of self can fully be removed from the corpus. — Benj96
Would this content-less pure awareness continue as the body/material vessel decomposes at death and transfigures/is recycled back into the ecosystem? — Benj96
f the content-less pure awareness is a constant underlying manifestation of physical "living bodies", it suggests pan-psychism. That everything is capable of content-less pure awareness fundamentally but can only manifest as an identity/ agent through "being" a physical system. A body. A thing. — Benj96
Everything is connected: objects and subjects. What ought we value? How ought we live? — Benj96
I agree with this.I am a subject (I have awareness of the world, emotions and feelings). — Benj96
I desagree with this.I am also an object (I have a material body). — Benj96
How can you be a body and have a body at the same time? — Alkis Piskas
How can an object have awareness? — Alkis Piskas
A stone, a cat and a human possess different capacities of embodying consciousness. — TheMadMan
. There are political aspects as well, with a question of whose subjectivities are considered important in the power hierarchy. — Jack Cummins
I am not assuming how it is like to be a stone or a cat. I only maintain that it's experience is not like human's. I would say that's a fair deduction. — TheMadMan
It is a good question, indeed.
For me, it is very complex to answer. Since the moment that "awareness" is a humanistic concept, I doubt if an object is concious about itself. For example: we are aware about the existence of the tables of our houses. But this thinking doesn't exist empirically outside of us. I mean: our thinking of "the tables does exist" will not affect to the existence of the tables at all. They are not aware about anything. If they "exist" is because we give them a meaningful sense.
42m — javi2541997
My question then would be, in your opinion, why does the universe want to be fully conscious? And why wasn't it fully conscious from the beginning of that is the ultimate goal? — Benj96
In either case, consciousness exists, how it exists, and how its effects are amplified are up for debate, but its clear that natural laws permit its existence, if not neccesitate it. — Benj96
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