But the second law explains why when I drop and break a cup it doesn't immediately leap back up and reconfigure itself because that is a statistically implausible array of matter. — Andrew4Handel
Understand it in what sense?
As a history of our origins up to this date?
As something that should guide future human development?
There is a limit to the scope of validating (or falsifying) explanations of things that happened before we existed or developed modern technology. It becomes narrative that then quickly becomes and became ideological.
Is The theory make us stop believing in gods? Is it supposed to make us become physicalist/materialist naturalists? Are we supposed to reevaluate the status and value of humans and other animals? — Andrew4Handel
This is an elegantly presented video of the influence of racism on Science and thought. — Andrew4Handel
Here is an academic article on The Nazi beliefs on Evolution. — Andrew4Handel
When you add energy to a system, you decrease it's entropy. It happens all the time. The sun and the heat inside the planet adds energy to the Earth's surface allowing the continued operation of physical and biological processes. — T Clark
I'm am overstepping the boundary of my knowledge, but it is my understanding that saying "accidental and random" is an overstatement. Much of what happens is influenced by self-organization. Scientists think that living cells develop out of chemical/catalyst cycles that develop naturally. Don't bother to ask for details, because I'm already on thin ice. I refer you to "Life's Ratchet" by Hoffman. — T Clark
My effort hereat the risk of being on topic, is there a coherent, sound argument that can be made that is sympathetic to the intuition so poorly expressed in the OP? A way to rescue teleology?
i doubt it. — Banno
This is not a winning argument. There are plenty of examples of the evil performed in the name of religion, ethnicity, nationality, and just about any other organized differences between people. — T Clark
When you shine sunlight on a broken cup it does not rebuild itself. Plants have mechanisms to utilise the sunlight, the sunlight itself is not reducing the entropy but the preexisting plant mechanisms. — Andrew4Handel
As I have said life/abiogenesis has to start from scratch from non life simplicity. — Andrew4Handel
Other planets have the sun shining on them and no life. — Andrew4Handel
We somehow have an array of very precise parameters that allow life on this planet and unknown properties that allow consciousness. — Andrew4Handel
That is not the argument. The argument is concerning the the harm of rejecting evolution versus the harm of accepting evolution and it being interpreted in a destructive way or as an ideology. — Andrew4Handel
I don't see our position as insignificant. — Andrew4Handel
The universe apparently doesn't know it exists — Andrew4Handel
our individual consciousness that allows to imagine concepts such as infinity and allows us to see and experience a huge range of phenomena.
As with Descartes Cogito ergo sum I can only be certain that I exist. Everything else is filtered through individual consciousness.
But you seem to have highlighted the theories need to denigrate the human position. Evolution does not explain consciousness — Andrew4Handel
And the galactic amount of evidence for that process means that evolution in one sense is a fact. — Bradskii
And by the way, you can't imagine infinity. You have a brain that has evolved to calculate the arc of a thrown rock. — Bradskii
Is that a fact? If I boil a pot of water, is its entropy decreased? — Wayfarer
Everything is classed as evidence for evolution. — Andrew4Handel
But the second law explains why when I drop and break a cup it doesn't immediately leap back up and reconfigure itself because that is a statistically implausible array of matter. — Andrew4Handel
Is your standard of truth what gives the results you want? — T Clark
But biological principles are not derivable from chemical principles, e.g. if you know chemistry, you can't derive biology. — T Clark
One point that Apokrisis stresses is that higher levels affect, constrain, lower levels as much as lower levels constrain higher levels. — T Clark
Perhaps, but evolution by natural selection, which is what Darwin and Wallace studied, is primarily biological. — T Clark
Darwin and Wallace both used the term "survival of the fittest" to describe natural selection. — T Clark
Those who admit my interpretation of the evidence now adduced - strictly scientific evidence in its appeal to facts which are clearly what ought not to be on the materialistic theory - will be able to accept the spiritual nature of man, as not in any way inconsistent with the theory of evolution, but as dependent on those fundamental laws and causes which furnish the very materials for evolution to work with. They will also be relieved from the crushing mental burden imposed upon those who--maintaining that we, in common with the rest of nature, are but products of the blind eternal forces of the universe, and believing also that the time must come when the sun will lose his heat and all life on the earth necessarily cease--have to contemplate a not very distant future in which all this glorious earth--which for untold millions of years has been slowly developing forms of life and beauty to culminate at last in man--shall be as if it had never existed....
As contrasted with this hopeless and soul-deadening belief, we, who accept the existence of a spiritual world, can look upon the universe as a grand consistent whole adapted in all its parts to the development of spiritual beings capable of indefinite life and perfectibility. To us, the whole purpose, the only raison d'être of the world--with all its complexities of physical structure, with its grand geological progress, the slow evolution of the vegetable and animal kingdoms, and the ultimate appearance of man--was the development of the human spirit in association with the human body. — Darwinism Applied to Man, Alfred Russel Wallace
If I add heat to the water, it is heated and the water molecule increase in kinetic energy. Since it is confined by air pressure, it's pressure increases (PV=NRT) and it's entropy decreases. — T Clark
----------------Entropy increases as temperature increases. An increase in temperature means that the particles of the substance have greater kinetic energy. The faster-moving particles have more disorder than particles that are moving slowly at a lower temperature.
'Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution'. Theodosius Dobzhansky. — Bradskii
Some writers restrict the word "evolution" to biological evolution only. This seems to me gratuitous. The universe has had a historical development; so had life, and so had mankind. This historical development did advance to life from absence of life, and did ascend to man from non-human ancestors. — Theodosius Dobzhansky
All that aside Natural selection and survival of the fittest is more value laden than most scientific theories — Andrew4Handel
seems to me the manifest purpose of this site. Says a famously "God-intoxicated" thinker:
Philosophy has no end in view save truth; faith looks for nothing but obedience and piety.
I do not know how to teach philosophy without becoming a disturber of established religion.
~Spinoza — 180 Proof
I do not think it necessary for salvation to know Christ according to the flesh: but with regard to the Eternal Son of God, that is the Eternal Wisdom of God, which has manifested itself in all things and especially in the human mind, and above all in Christ Jesus, the case is far otherwise. For without this no one can come to a state of blessedness, inasmuch as it alone teaches, what is true or false, good or evil. — Letter 21 (73) to Henry Oldenburg, November (1675)
I might, also, except that it too easily comes across as a kind of secular fundamentalism. Most of the so-called new atheists - they're no longer new - fall into that trap. — Wayfarer
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