Sidney J HarrisThe Difference Between patriotism and nationalism is that the patriot is proud of his country for what it does , and the nationalist is proud of his country no matter what it does ; the first attitude creates a feeling of responsibility while the second a feeling of blind arrogance that leads to a war .
I thought this thread is about patriotism, like when you identify with a country and choose to serve it.Can we afford nationalism? — Bitter Crank
The political yet again? Okay..Is there any reason why actual leftists and liberals can't be as comfortable loving and serving their personal nation-state as the typical conservative? — Bitter Crank
Is Edward Snowden a Patriot? — Cavacava
I thought this thread is about patriotism, like when you identify with a country and choose to serve it. — Noblosh
he political yet again? — Noblosh
It's simple, liberalism is the opposite to conservatism and thus rejects all that is conservatism specific. — Noblosh
Why is nationalism (?) specific to conservatism? Because it aims to preserve and perpetuate existing values, seems obvious to me. — Noblosh
So liberals would prefer to expand values, rather than preserving them.But liberals and leftists also find values in national life that they wish to perpetuate. For instance, liberal-leftists tend to prefer that civil liberty principles be interpreted as generously as possible, rather than as restrictively as possible. — Bitter Crank
Nation-states are arbitrary, universal ideals that promote the greater good are a a much more rationally and ethically sound basis for political commitment. Loyalty to country should depend on how faithful a country is to those principles. Another thing to keep in mind is that of all the countries that have existed throughout history not many were worthy of any sort of patriotic devotion, most were barbarous and brutal and built on bullshit and savagery.Is there any reason why actual leftists and liberals can't be as comfortable loving and serving their personal nation-state as the typical conservative? — Bitter Crank
Think global, act local. — Patrick Geddes
While, as usual, I think your idea for a thread is great and your thoughts on the topic deserving of attention, I can't help but take issue with this question.Is there any reason why actual leftists and liberals can't be as comfortable loving and serving their personal nation-state as the typical conservative? — Bitter Crank
I am also a qualified nationalist, in that I believe the US system of government, as well as its laws, values, and culture, to be superior to other forms of government and other laws, values, and cultures throughout the world and in history. I also believe the US should be independent and sovereign over its own territory. — Thorongil
Is there any reason why actual leftists and liberals can't be as comfortable loving and serving their personal nation-state as the typical conservative? — Bitter Crank
They shot the six cabinet ministers at half-past six in the morning against the wall of a hospital. There were pools of water in the courtyard. There were wet dead leaves on the paving of the courtyard. It rained hard. All the shutters of the hospital were nailed shut. One of the ministers was sick with typhoid. Two soldiers carried him downstairs and out into the rain. They tried to hold him up against the wall but he sat down in a puddle of water. The other five stood very quietly against the wall. Finally the officer told the soldiers it was no good trying to make him stand up. When they fired the first volley he was sitting down in the water with his head on his knees.
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