• Wayfarer
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    I’ve had the idea - it’s been back-of-mind for a long while - that there are recognisable types of contributors to the Forum. There are probably many, but I’m not wanting to try and develop a comprehensive classification. It’s more that awareness of types helps with interpreting the kinds of responses that come in from different contributors and to interpret why they approach philosophical problems the way they do. It might help to at least understand why someone else’s ‘hovercraft is full of eels’.

    First I want to recognise the ‘canonicals’. Their base is the canonical literature of mainstream philosophy, with an emphasis on what is called the ‘anglosphere’ - English-speaking academic philosophy. Wittgenstein, Donald Davidson, Austin, and other prominent names in English-speaking philosophy have particular significance but with due recognition of the traditional sources.

    Then there’s continentals, which include those whose interests mainly comprise existentialism and phenomenology. Heidegger, existentialism, enactivism are a few of the names and schools associated with these types. (Oh, and Pomo - currently not that well represented).

    There are many contributors not especially well-read in philosophy as such but who surf the currents of modern culture in science and technology, with a generally science-y approach not necessarily scientistic in a pejorative sense but taking science to be the principle arbiter of what should be considered.

    There are some original sythesizers, who are seeking a systematic approach drawing on current scientific (meta-scientific?) theorising, such as biosemiosis, quantum physics, systems theory, and many related subjects.

    And then there’s counter-culturals (in which I include myself). Their search is the ‘quest for enlightenment’, a greater or lesser ‘aha’ experience (‘lesser’ in light of long experience) which, it is hoped, somehow harmonises and brings together all kinds of insights into a vision of the whole. They are often magpies who collect bits and pieces from all kinds of sources - they look for ideas that will validate their idea of what enlightenment might constitute. Often widely, but not necessarily deeply, read, and not particularly scholarly.

    I’m sure there are more, but within my orbit at this particular time, these are the types whose characteristics I can bring to mind. It’s worth reflecting a little on this kind of taxonomy, because it will help explain why contributors will say what they say - which often seems very odd to those from the other categories.
  • Jamal
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    Cool.

    At various times I think I’ve been in all of those categories except “original sythesizers”.

    “Continentals” should probably also include critical theory and Marxism. Come to think of it, they could come under counterculturals as well. Come to think of it more, I’m guessing that American-style libertarians and anti-woke folk think of themselves as countercultural too.

    But then the countercultural category begins to look strained. Maybe “politicals” could be added.

    My main problem is that your definition of the countercultural type doesn’t imply anything actually countercultural, unless you just want to restrict it to secularism-sceptical spiritual seekers or something like that.
  • Wayfarer
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    Fair enough! I just posted it off the top of my head, it certainly needs elaboration and refinement, but I think it might be useful regardless. Oh, and I think my interpretation of counter-cultural was very much influenced by Theodor Roszak's books, The Making of a Counter Culture and Where the Wasteland Ends.
  • Jamal
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    Yep, seems useful, although you might find that each person has their own taxonomy reflecting their prejudices, which becomes reinforcing when made explicit.

    Another point: when I first saw the term “canonicals” I was expecting it to be the people who are into Plato, Aristotle, Hume, Kant, etc. So-called continentals are as steeped in that tradition as the Anglos, so splitting them up in the way you’ve done has its problems.
  • Wayfarer
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    I guess, although many of the modern philosophers in the English-speaking world are pretty remote from traditional philosophy. I seem to recall Wittgenstein (and I'm not a Wittgenstein reader) declaring he had never read Aristotle. I think there's arguably more continuity between the continentals and the traditional philosophy although of course it's contestable.
  • Jamal
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    Agreed. So here’s my version.

    Canonicals (includes some Anglos and many continentals, as well as those who are neither. Focused on or knowledgeable in the tradition, well-read in the great works going back to Plato)

    Analytics

    Contrarians

    Sciencey dabblers

    Politicos

    Woomongers :wink:
  • Wayfarer
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    agreed with the caveat that I'm not in the last basket :yikes:
  • Jamal
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    I wouldn’t dream of making such an outrageous claim.
  • 180 Proof
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    I see myself as "Canonical" (or try to be).

    :smirk:
  • Mww
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    I wanna be in the canonical column, strike the anglo tag, and continental column, strike the existential/phenomenological tag.

    Does that work?
  • Wayfarer
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    Yes, sure does. Obviously my taxonomy needs refinement. :roll:
  • Mww
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    Dunno about that. Maybe it’s just me. Got this thing about pigeonholes, donchaknow.
  • Wayfarer
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    Actually the motivation for this OP was realising that I'm far from being a canonical philosopher. I've learned to respect those who are better versed in canonical philosophy.
  • Jamal
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    You’re in your own special category.
  • Jamal
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    In a good way :grin:
  • Tom Storm
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    Interesting. Until this site, I had no idea people outside of an institution actually read academic philosophy and took it seriously. I'm delighted that they do as it suggests hard thinking is not entirely a forgotten past time.

    I did a similar exercise in the first few months of being here and I identified four types: thinkers, theorists, monomaniacs and fools. Naturally there's often a blur between types. The monomaniacs tend to hawke an obsession, which everything keeps coming back to. The theorists are those who suck up and spout scholarship like it's a form of redemptive catechism. The thinkers include anyone seriously engaged in ideas, with or without a philosophical education. The fool are those who... you can guess. I value all of it, but sometimes the answers to OPs read like a series of satirical depictions of personality types and their flaws. When I feel that way, I go back to music.
  • 180 Proof
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    :up: :up:
    So which are type are you, Tom?

    At my best I'm probably ¼"theorist", ¼"fool" & ½"thinker" (but I might be flattering myself). :sweat:
  • Wayfarer
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    excellent post. I think there’s a hunger for philosophical depth - there are nowadays many new media outlets that specialise on it, recognisable talking heads who populate it, and themes and pre-occupations which occupy it. I think back to earlier periods of my life about the idea of there being a ‘global awakening’ and despite all the bad s*** that’s going down, it really is happening. Many people are asking really big questions and exploring the world’s philosophical heritage.
  • Tom Storm
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    So which are type are you, Tom?180 Proof

    Fool mostly and wannabe thinker.

    Many people are asking really big questions and exploring the world’s philosophical heritage.Wayfarer

    That's really important. The internet gets a lot of flack, but access to decent thinkers and communities has never been easier. Of course, we get the DK crowd and the bluffers too, but at least they are mostly wanking about matters of importance.
  • Janus
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    A good list that I'd modify/ augment a little: Critical thinkers, system builders (your "theorists"), dogmatic acolytes, dilettantes, practitioners, monomaniacs, artists, spiritualists, mystics, religionists, logicists, scientists. phenomenologists, relativists, positivists, post-modernists.
  • Tom Storm
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    Ha! Sure. I generally prefer category lists with no more that 4 items and I took my cue from Tony Benn's account of the three types of politicians - straight men, madmen and fixers... I was thinking not so much about the school of thought, but how they interact ( foolishly, thoughtfully or through a labyrinth of theory). I think a phenomenologist, for instance, could be a theorist in some instances and a fool in others - depending upon approach and competence. A religionist might be a fool or a monomaniac. That kind of thing.
  • Janus
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    How about critical thinkers, dogmatists, skeptics, system builders, experientialists, practitioners (as in philosophy as a way of life). Any of those could be fools, dilletantes or monomaniacs, or some blend of the three in varying degrees.

    You're right; parsimony is good, but how parsimonious can we be while still being comprehensive? Can you think of ways to collapse these categories further?
  • Tom Storm
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    You're right; parsimony is good, but how parsimonious can we be while still being comprehensive? Can you think of ways to collapse these categories further?Janus

    Good question. When I am on here I often find myself thinking that there are only two categories - honest interlocuters and dishonest ones. Now 'dishonest' might be a bit harsh. Perhaps it's more the case that some member's monomania can get in the way of a genuine exploration of the subject at hand. Perhaps in the end we are all either fools or dilettantes...
  • Janus
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    I agree with you about the honest and dishonest interlocutors. As to the dishonest: either deliberately or deludedly (monomaniacally) so.

    :up: I think most of us are to varying degrees fools and dilettantes.

    I'd class myself as a foolish dilettante skeptic.
  • Tom Storm
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    :up: Yep. I'm happy to be a fool.
  • 180 Proof
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    I'm happy to be a fool.Tom Storm
    A fool who know s/he's a fool or a fool who doesn't know? – that is the question. :smirk:

    [P]arsimony is good, but how parsimonious can we be while still being comprehensive?Janus
    Two faces of every drachma: naturalist (i.e. reality) or non-naturalist (i.e. ideality). :fire:
  • Janus
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    I would say the salient polemic is materiality vs ideality. If idealism were true it would be the reality.
  • 180 Proof
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    I would say the salient polemic is materiality vs ideality. If idealism were true it would be the reality.Janus
    Maybe I should put the two types this way: naturalist (re: immanence) and non-naturalist (re: non-immanence).

    Anyway, as an aside, I think concepts like e.g. realism, materialism & idealism are suppositions and not propositional statements, so that being "true", as you suggest, Janus, isn't determinative; rather the self-consistency, contextual coherence with adjacent-concepts, descriptive clarity & communicative usefulness, for example, are more adequate criteria – rules-of-thumb – for de/selecting (or creating) philosophical concepts. What do you think? :chin:
  • Janus
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    Also, I think concepts like e.g. realism, materialism & idealism are suppositions and not propositional statements, so that being "true", as you suggest, Janus, isn't determinative; rather the self-consistency, contextual coherence with adjacent-concepts, descriptive clarity & communicative usefulness, for example, are more adequate criteria – rules-of-thumb – for de/selecting (or creating) philosophical concepts. What do you think? :chin:180 Proof

    I agree that the truth (which I would say means reality) of materialism and idealism are non-determinable. So I see them as purely speculative, and ultimately undecidable in principle. The trouble with criteria of self-consistency, contextual coherence, descriptive clarity and communicative usefulness is that these are all context and presupposition-dependent and one person's meat will be another's poison.

    I just concern myself with understanding the ideas and their implications, and beyond that I suspend judgement. So, not having a settled opinion I don't have a dog in the race. Also, I don't think it matters what we believe when it comes to abstruse undecidables

    I agree with Nietzsche that it is better to believe whatever helps you live and flourish best, or else abstain from believing anything if that works better for you (as it does for me), rather than agonizing over whether something undecidable is true or false.

    That's my small coinage, for what it's worth.
  • Ying
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    A good list that I'd modify/ augment a little: Critical thinkers, system builders (your "theorists"), dogmatic acolytes, dilettantes, practitioners, monomaniacs, artists, spiritualists, mystics, religionists, logicists, scientists. phenomenologists, relativists, positivists, post-modernists.Janus



    Anyway, I'd classify myself as a system builder.
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