Are you not attracted to the complete and total ownership of your own wonder and awe? Why assign any credit for such to a god? — universeness
As the moment itself passed and faded into memory it would be only to easy to dismiss it as some sort of emotional anomaly. — invicta
To be honest, I am a little disappointed. If you surrendered your scepticism and your atheism, for the price of an experience you don't even feel comfortable enough, to publicly describe in detail, then I think you surrendered your atheism very cheaply.But by virtue of my religious experience at the time I remain grateful for that very experience which I guess changed my life forever. — invicta
This kind of witnessing has almost zero value as evidence of god. — universeness
I was merely trying to answer your question as to whether I can look at nature with the awe and wonder without invoking god which I believe I did. — invicta
Well, if that's the story you tell yourself, invicta, why the angst expressed in your OP about "death" versus "eternal life"? — 180 Proof
I don't understand why your supernatural existent, is not able to resolve the issues raised in your OP, better than the members of TPF?I just needed some clarity. — invicta
Good to read an example of the fact that your original scepticism is still present, and your ability to apply critical thinking to 'holy' scripture, results in your last sentence above. Only one more step, would allow you to move forward again, into atheism. There IS something very wrong with all holy scripture, and it is that it has nothing to do with god, and everything to do with the human tradition of satirical invention and storytelling.For me the issue that I have is with holy scripture especially ones that say only if you believe will you get eternal life regardless if you’re a good person.
So you can be an absolute helmet but as long as you believe you can still attain that.
Now that’s got to be something wrong there. — invicta
What convinces you that 'the diety' has powers and abilities that you don't?That is all. I think the diety would kinda be proud of me for figuring it out myself instead of being handed out answers like a toddler. — invicta
Good, then there is that, at least.The other reason despite my experiences I still value doubt, rational and critical thinking — invicta
Events btw which I could not dismiss as purely happening by accident alone. The freaky and somewhat surprising nature of such scenarios which have actually occurred in my life affirms in me the belief in something extraordinary for the things that happened and actually continue to happen are nothing short of that. — invicta
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