what I am particularly interested in is whether these belief systems may impact people's positions towards recycling; whether it would make sense to recycle if you hold these positions. — Chris H
Antinatalism makes good logical points but they fall short within the context of the whole human experience. — TheMadMan
It's more an emotional reaction to negative life experience coated in "philosophical" language, which makes it intellectually dishonest. Thus I don't put much value in its arguments. — TheMadMan
This itself is so value-laden and personal in its opinion, that it self-refutes the earlier point here: — schopenhauer1
You make too many assumptions of my statements and prematurely reached your conclusions on me self-refuting. — TheMadMan
Well, when you make broad statements with no reasoning behind it, kind of makes sense then that I would do that with just a claim without support. — schopenhauer1
Thank you for clarifying the distinctions between forms of anti-natalism for too, that was very helpful for me. However, I am not sure about planets status as an 'ethical agent'. That may represents something a little beyond my philosophical understanding, but as far as I can tell people and anthropomorphize things that don't have agency and assign symbolic meanings in animate objects. I don't see why some people cannot be acting in the interest of the planet in its own right in a sentimental way. — Chris H
The problem of environmental damage is real but the solution of antinatalism and misanthropism is irrational. If you have a thorn in your foot the solution is not to cut it off. — TheMadMan
You assume humanity is the foot — Ø implies everything
what if the life on Earth in general, and/or some notion of nature, is the foot in which humanity is the thorn? — Ø implies everything
So I write a lot about antinatalist topics and pessimism on this forum, and very familiar with Benatar and the notions of misanthropic and philanthropic antinatalism and I do think they are useful distinctions. — schopenhauer1
Do you have arguments that humanity is the thorn. — TheMadMan
Yes I understand the distinction being made. But when that is transposed to a psychological as distinct from philosophical context, I think ordinary language needs to be at least acknowledged, because the terms are going to apply to pronatalists as well as antinatalists. That's the premise, at least. — unenlightened
Perhaps you think not wanting the best for humanity is itself irrational — Ø implies everything
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