If you are not willing to comment on 'theories,' that may evidence aspects of consciousness that exist outside of the physical borderlines of the human being/other lifeforms, then you come across as 'reluctant' to defend your own side of the debate. — universeness
If you want me to address it then you're going to have to explain his theory in detail. — Michael
Why not say that you are not familiar with Sheldrakes work, in your first response to me after I mentioned it? — universeness
I'm just pointing out the problem with Isaac's question — Michael
Your "if" hiding in a safe space while wearing a falsifiability proof vest is already in trouble with zero philosophical value. — Nickolasgaspar
My response was fine. You accused me of saying something about his work. Given that I never mentioned him or his work, your accusation was wrong, which was my response. — Michael
as you have also accused a scientist who is well respected within the scientific community, of being a pseudo-scientist. — universeness
Alfred Rupert Sheldrake (born 28 June 1942) is an English author and parapsychology researcher. He proposed the concept of morphic resonance,[3][4] a conjecture which lacks mainstream acceptance and has been criticized as pseudoscience.[5][6][7][8][9]
I'm just going by his Wikipedia article. — Michael
No, you are dealing with way to many ifs to make it even meaningful! — Nickolasgaspar
It has philosophical value if it's true. — Michael
Again to many assumptions, you need to assume that the phenomenon is non physical, that non physical phenomena CAN exist, and its interaction with the physical world shouldn't leave any traces....way to many. — Nickolasgaspar
If your use of non-physical means a phenomena undetectable by any current or future scientific endeavour then is that not your own personal appeal to pseudo-science? — universeness
Again too many ifs and assumptions. — Nickolasgaspar
One if, no assumptions. — Michael
Again too many ifs and assumptions. — Nickolasgaspar
If consciousness is not-physical then there is no evidence that consciousness is physical. — Michael
You state: " if an aspect of consciousness is non physical"
A.You assume that non physical things exist — Nickolasgaspar
you state:"science can not detect conscious experience because its non physical".
b. that consciousness can be a non physical
This isn't difficult Michael..You are suggesting an ontology. This ontology needs to be assumed by definition. The same is true of its qualities.No I don't. — Michael
This isn't difficult Michael..You are suggesting an ontology. This ontology needs to be assumed by definition. The same is true of its qualities.
You can not escape from those underlying assumptions! — Nickolasgaspar
If consciousness is non-physical then there is no evidence that consciousness is physical. — Michael
You say "if consciousness is non physical....". That statement can only be meaningful if non physical is considered to be an available option for the ontology of consciousness — Nickolasgaspar
Obviously you are suggesting an option without even knowing if it is possible. — Nickolasgaspar
-So you are recycling hot air?? You are defining conditions in scenarios without knowing the real properties of the interacting concepts!No it doesn't.
If God is real then...
If parallel worlds are real then...
If magic is real then...
I'm not assuming anything about what's possible. — Michael
-So why are you doing this? There are far more meaningful scenarios to apply your '' ifs''on. Why insisting in its "philosophical value" when your statements demand way to many ifs to be proven true first before your statement finally acquires its philosophical validity..?I don't know if it's possible. I also don't know if it's impossible. Unlike you I'm not going to beg the question and assume that materialism is the case – that everything, including consciousness, is physical. — Michael
-So why are you doing this? — Nickolasgaspar
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