“Conservatism starts from a sentiment that all mature people can readily share: the sentiment that good things are easily destroyed, but not easily created. This is especially true of the good things that come to us as collective assets: peace, freedom, law, civility, public spirit, the security of property and family life, in all of which we depend on the cooperation of others while having no means singlehandedly to obtain it. In respect of such things, the work of destruction is quick, easy and exhilarating; the work of creation slow, laborious and dull. That is one of the lessons of the twentieth century. It is also one reason why conservatives suffer such a disadvantage when it comes to public opinion. Their position is true but boring, that of their opponents exciting but false.”
― Roger Scruton, How to Be a Conservative
I think it would help if you named a particular conservative. — frank
many people who say they are conservative are actually neo-liberals, — Tom Storm
I can't tell what counts as 'radical' change in the age of over 8000 satellites and every politician sounding off on social media like teenagers. And again: trade unions are a well established institution and tearing them down is - to me - a radical change brought about conservative administrations. So contracting "corrections" out to private enterprise: a state monopoly on law enforcement and retribution is a very deeply rooted tradition in all civilizations. (neoliberal?)A conservative is someone who opposes radical change — Tom Storm
That's another one of those terms I don't quite grasp. God made things a certain way, and nobody should change it. But every king and aristocracy and economic elite - the conservatives of their era - did change the order that prevailed before they took over. I understand that some Americans want their women back in the kitchen, pregnant, barefoot and illitarate, and their slaves back in the fields, singing sweetly from dawn to dusk. But that state of affairs, like every other, had also been brought about by human intervention - the pair God made was naked and unencumbered by possessions.what they call 'social engineering'
and works to maintain institutions and traditions and cultural artefacts (buildings, museums, landscapes, the arts, the rule of law,
The NEH and the NEA, despite commanding a tiny fraction of the federal government’s budget, have long been on the GOP’s kill list, since conservatives consider them to be a complete waste of taxpayer money.
Not that I have ever seen in the US or Canada. Certainly not among their voter base, and not conspicuously among their elite. Unless C&W&G are "high" culture, compared to symphony, ballet and opera - the despised province of the east coast liberal elite.they tend to believe in high culture — Tom Storm
This is the one part that rings true and corresponds to my own observation of conservative political behaviour. It doesn't tell me about values,though; only about holding on to power and depriving minority groups of rights and freedoms - while screaming about rights and freedom.Conservatives often wish to preserve anachronistic social systems and privileges, — Tom Storm
This is especially true of the good things that come to us as collective assets: peace, freedom, law, civility, public spirit, the security of property and family life, in all of which we depend on the cooperation of others while having no means singlehandedly to obtain it.
Their position is true but boring, that of their opponents exciting but false.”
as history of the modern era amply shows, 'conservatives' are just as, or more, comfortable with autocracy (i.e. centralized minority rule) than they are with democracy (i.e. agonistic majority rule). — 180 Proof
I think your version of ‘conservatives’ tends to be neoliberal folk who follow that cultural wrecking ball, — Tom Storm
But no doubt some neoliberals share some conservative values mainly on social issues. — Tom Storm
If it’s authoritarianism, suppression of opposing voices and minority groups then are there not ‘Leftist’ groups who do all this? — Tom Storm
But I do expect people of conviction to be able to articulate, clearly and consistently, their own values: what they believe, what they consider important personally and as a society; what they think is a desirable state of affairs. — Vera Mont
That's not my version; that's the version I see under the political label that identifiable parties, their public spokespeople and their supporters wear. — Vera Mont
I suppose there must be, though the leftist groups I've been associated with were a lot more like a herd of cats than a phalanx. When that happens, though, are they still socialists and liberals? Or is there a leftward equivalent of 'neoliberal'? All labels can be abused and perverted. — Vera Mont
What are "conservative values"? What kind of society do they envisage and how do they believe it can be brought about? — Vera Mont
Overall, the conservative vision of society emphasizes individual liberty, limited government, traditional values, and strong communities. They believe that these values are the key to creating a prosperous, stable, and free society. — universeness
But I don't know the actual philosophy conservatives hold in their own minds. — Vera Mont
This is the key to understanding conservatism. A conservative government is against public intervention, — javi2541997
if you reduce taxes, you will allow the rich companies to create more employment. — javi2541997
traditional family values. — universeness
and yet the political parties they keep voting for keep making more people poor and insecure.a society that is stable, secure, and prosperous, with a strong emphasis on family, community, and individual responsibility. — universeness
As I previously explained, I only see conservatism in an economic model. Reducing taxes + allowing the rich to expand their wealth + not intervention from the state = more employment. — javi2541997
At least, that was the formula used by Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher — javi2541997
It is contested both what conservatism is, and what it could or ought to be—both among the public and politicians, and among the philosophers and political theorists that this article focuses on. Popularly, “conservative” is a generic term for “right-wing viewpoint occupying the political spectrum between liberalism and fascism”. Philosophical commentators offer a more distinctive characterisation. Many treat it as a standpoint that is sceptical of abstract reasoning in politics, and that appeals instead to living tradition, allowing for the possibility of limited political reform. On this view, conservatism is neither dogmatic reaction, nor the right-wing radicalism of Margaret Thatcher or contemporary American “neo-conservatives”. — Conservatism, SEP
Conservatism is popularly conflated with neo-conservatism and with libertarianism. But right libertarians and neo-conservatives, unlike Burkean conservatives, reject state planning for doctrinaire reasons. Making anti-planning into a principle, or economic liberalism into an ideology, offends the conservative’s pragmatic, sceptical temper, which could admit a role for state planning and economic intervention were such things shown to be effective. Conservatives reject ideologies, of which neo-liberalism is one. — Conservatism, SEP
There must be a book about what has happened to conservatism in the past fifty years, and no doubt it’s a strange and interesting story. — Jamal
Thank you.For me, if there is a core of conservatism it’s a basic suspicion of Utopianism and the idea of the “perfectibility of man”; a resultant pragmatic attitude to politics that aims to maintain a harmonious community in which change happens only slowly and organically on the basis of experience rather than on the basis of doctrines and principles. — Jamal
But I wasn't asking about books or philosophers — Vera Mont
Christian democrats are usually socially conservative and generally have a relatively skeptical stance towards abortion and same-sex marriage, although some Christian democratic parties have accepted the limited legalization of both. They advocate for a consistent life ethic concerning their opposition to capital punishment and assisted suicide. Christian Democrats have also supported the prohibition of drugs... Most European Christian Democrats reject the concept of class struggle and instead prefer co-determination. Christian democrats maintain that civil issues should first be addressed at the lowest level of government before being examined at a higher level, a doctrine known as subsidiarity. These concepts of sphere sovereignty and subsidiarity are considered cornerstones of Christian Democracy political ideology. — Lamberts, Emiel (1997). Christian Democracy in the European Union, 1945/1995:
I think it depends on each state we are talking about — javi2541997
Yes indeed, and this is an example of the relativism of conservatism. You cannot, qua representative of conservatism, uphold values as absolute if conservatism in different times and places has defended different, opposing values — Jamal
class and war and inequality are naturalized in conservatism, and particular social formations dehistoricized. — Jamal
I really find this attitude needlessly combative. — Jamal
If none of that makes sense it’s because I’m thinking on the fly. — Jamal
The result is that everything is getting scrambled. — frank
If I'm confused, at least I'm not alone.over the last 10 years, the role of right-wing youth movements has grown even more central, helping to establish the guiding narratives and elevating some of the most visible faces of conservatism today,https://www.salon.com/2022/10/14/how-youth-activists-energized-the-right--and-drove-into-madness/
I apologize. That was not my intention; I was only trying to make the same distinction as above: to separate personal conviction from general perception, professional analysis and political platform. Those perspective strike me as each markedly at variance with the others. — Vera Mont
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