unless you believe rocks have feelings — jgill
a mindless sensation is a blue sky before anybody sees it and a thunder clap with nobody around to hear it. — lorenzo sleakes
But there is no strong argument for believing in this mind dependence. Galileo needed to only say that the color of a falling object is irrelevant to its place in physics, not that it has no color. In distinguishing between primary and secondary qualities Locke needed to only say that certain spatial configurations and movements of matter had the power to create sensations but not that the sensations have to exist "in us".
The common sense view also says the Earth is flat and stationary.
There is a complex chain of events leading to colors being created in the brain. I accept this.
Maybe the real external sky doesnt look like the sky in our visual field but that doesnt necessarily mean it has no color.
They merely play no causal role in dyamics.
I do think that awareness and the material world we are aware of are two seperate things. — lorenzo sleakes
On the contrary, I've stated a demonstrable biological fact (re: cell biology). Feel free to refute it with more than mere speculation. — 180 Proof
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you have proven nothing. some people think that even individual living cells may have some form of sentience in which case a nervous system is not even necessary. But even if a nervous system is necessary does that mean insects or clams are sentient? — lorenzo sleakes
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:roll: — 180 Proof
Sensations are nervous system-dependent. — 180 Proof
This is a scientific problem and not a question philosophers alone can answer, or even pose adequately, insofar as philosophy's domain is conceptual-interpretive, not theoretical-testable.I agree thatthesensationsthat we experienceare nervous system-dependent. But the question is how. — lorenzo sleakes
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