I think so. You do get taught about religions for the purposes of normalising them and the people who practice other ones. — fdrake
Yes, in the context of comparative religion or comparative cultural instruction. Those are fairly advanced subjects. I agree with instruction at this level. — Pantagruel
We've had this discussion before, and it proved impossible to have it in good faith. — fdrake
But when it comes to things like pregnancy, must we all go along with the insanity in order to not be deemed transphobic? Again, I really resent having to sound similar to a right-wing bigot. — Mikie
Reflexively judging the adoption of new and more inclusive use of words can only ever be bigoted. Why don't you want trans bodies to be included in medical terms when they apply to everyone? Do trans people not count as part of "everyone" because they're a minority group?
The instinctive disgust felt above based on two equivocations. The first equivocation is assuming that changing that language is required to be inclusive - in fact it could very well be a cynical attempt to appear inclusive while keeping legitimately prejudicial institutional processes in place. The second is that a negative feeling toward the above suffices to demonstrate that the person is prejudiced, more context would be needed to infer that. Do you have the context to infer the person you're talking to is prejudiced? Or a justification that it can be assumed by default in the present discursive context?
Now, not so much. So the the way this gone has had the opposite effect intended for me. And that is a real social consequence, I'm sure I'm not the only one who has been alienated. — Pantagruel
But they can't all be right. — Pantagruel
The list - obviously- wouldn't include hypersexualized characters like ↪Michael's hunky fireman. — Tzeentch
This is an existential issue. There is now something like a war (for reality) going on. About preserving the truth and bodily integrity and mass co-oercion to a quasi religious ideology.
Personally I think anyone supporting gender ideology is now participating a crime against humanity. You can try and censor people but gender critical people have their own spaces and spheres of influence now. — Andrew4Handel
My sense is that only a small portion of the transgender movement consists of people who will genuinely benefit from adopting the label.
A larger portion seems to consist of:
1. people who carry trauma from childhood in which their individuality was not accepted (feminine men, masculine women, homosexuals, lesbians, etc.)
2. children/young adults who had no idea what they were doing
3. sexual deviants
4. parties with ulterior motives, like pharmaceutical companies and surgery clinics (hence the movement's superb marketing) — Tzeentch
Five years ago, I was positively disposed to the issue, but the way it has been weaponized, anything to do with trans now has a really negative aura from me. Previously, had the opportunity arisen, I would have strongly defended any trans person I saw or knew was subject to prejudice (as I have defended vulnerable people in the past). I no longer feel like that. My goodwill has been alienated. — Pantagruel
This dramatised example of a cis male, dressed as a female, playing agony aunt and giving advice to children, I assume would make your 'acceptable' list, if 'The Mrs Doubtfire show' was a real show on TV today: — universeness
Which of these images should we make sure children are mist afraid of? — universeness
So it's just certain forms of clothing the children should be made to fear... — universeness
Does the lead singer of twisted sister not also look like a hooker? — universeness
Why do you assume the clown or 'tootsie' is not trans? — universeness
Cn you not see that you brought your own interpretation to that image in particular? — universeness
What dangers do you think children are being placed in when they are being read a story by a man dressed as a woman or a female character? — universeness
Can you not try harder? — universeness
This dramatised example of a cis male, dressed as a female, playing agony aunt and giving advice to children, I assume would make your 'acceptable' list, if 'The Mrs Doubtfire show' was a real show on TV today: — universeness
Sure. I see nothing wrong with that. — Tzeentch
Have you ossified when it comes to your notions of conservative norms? — universeness
I honestly think what we're witnessing here are your interpretations of my views. — Tzeentch
Trans issues are not going to 'go away' because you and/or others have switched from having a more benevolent stance towards 'them.' The issues of all minority groups, remain, as long as they have existent members. I personally find the support that many Islamists have for child marriage and when it is acceptable to consummate such, far far more personally horrifying than any trans issue I am aware of. — universeness
There are several gay men on YouTube now who talk about the regret and pain of having themselves castrated and their penises removed due to internalised homphobia and being caught up in gender ideology and misled. — Andrew4Handel
There are many w on YouTube now who talk about the regret and pain of being w and having their x removed due to internalised y and being caught up in z ideology and misled. — universeness
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