Philosophim
T Clark
I'm going to put some vocabulary that is backed by the transgender community below — Philosophim
Joshs
Gender and transgender or social constructs, or subjective.
Sex is a fact, and objective — Philosophim
Joshs
Can you say some more? — Tom Storm
Joshs
Joshs Thanks. If someone says they were born in the 'wrong body' and identify as male (born sex as female) do you have some reflections regarding an approach we might take — Tom Storm
Philosophim
The way the situation is usually presented is that the transgender community believes that transgender people who are biologically male should be legally and socially treated and named as women with the reverse being true for those who are biologically female. Is that not correct? — T Clark
Philosophim
There are some who argue that gender is pulley a social
construct, but I dont think you’ll find that to be a majority view within the gay community. My own view is that the biological and the social are inextricably, and for many who believe they were born with their particular gender already put in place, the idea that gender is strictly socially constructed is ludicrous — Joshs
Tom Storm
Philosophim
They don't think their body matches their sense of self. — Tom Storm
hypericin
The traditional use of pronouns is to identify sex, not gender. — Philosophim
NOS4A2
Philosophim
What tradition? The sex/gender distinction doesn't have enough history to have a tradition. Pronouns were and are applied to a conglomerate of what we now consider sex and gender. — hypericin
Tom Storm
Is this in the sense of gender, or sex though? — Philosophim
Philosophim
I don’t use the word “gender” anymore unless it refers to grammar. Better to abandon the term, I say, and stick to “sex”. It basically clears up any confusion. — NOS4A2
Philosophim
My understanding is it's gender, which is separate to biological sex. But I'm not one for debating this minefield of a subject, I'm no expert and people understand it in different ways. I'm happy to support trans-people and I've never experienced any problems associated with the issue in the years I have known and/or worked with trans or gender diverse people. — Tom Storm
Tom Storm
When I see the word "transgender" in popular culture it is currently unclear and confusing. — Philosophim
Philosophim
Bear in mind definitions are tricky - we can't really define religion as Karen Armstrong and our own Wayfarer point out. — Tom Storm
Tom Storm
That is not what this discussion is about. — Philosophim
Philosophim
I generally think practice or doing is more important than theory, but I hear you. — Tom Storm
A useful definition I have gone by is a transgender person is someone whose gender identity or gender expression does not correspond with the sex they were assigned at birth. That's a standard definition. — Tom Storm
Tzeentch
Philosophim
Transgenderism has always struck me as seriously contradictory. — Tzeentch
BC
does not correspond with the sex they were assigned at birth — Tom Storm
BC
Philosophim
One of my pet peeves. Newborns are identified as male or female, they aren't arbitrarily assigned a sex. — BC
Tom Storm
One of my pet peeves. Newborns are identified as male or female, they aren't arbitrarily assigned a sex. — BC
All this genderendering results in such peculiar constructions as "persons with a uterus" or "pregnant persons" in health care settings. Stupid, stupid, stupid. — BC
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