16 For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.
17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him. — John 3
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_literalism#:~:text=Biblical%20literalism%20first%20became%20an,product%20of%20the%20scientific%20revolution%22.Biblical literalism first became an issue in the 18th century, enough so for Diderot to mention it in his Encyclopédie.[ Karen Armstrong sees "[p]reoccupation with literal truth" as "a product of the scientific revolution".
And what better to way to fill the void than with all things our hearts desires, provided in the most effective and efficient way possible, via the markets. Why determine what to value and where to go as a society, if we can just leave that to the invisible hand? — ChatteringMonkey
2. Establish the scientific method with truth as the only and unquestionable value. — unenlightened
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I'll say to you what I said to Baden - This all seems plausible. Is there justification that it's true, or is it just a general sense of history, society, and culture? — T Clark
Pretend not to notice that religious texts, although they do not clearly make the fact/value distinction, are primarily concerned with 'first philosophy' – how one should live, what virtues to cultivate and what vices to resist, and what values to hold to one's heart and live by. — unenlightened
We should all want to know the facts, whether or not they agree with a particular religious tradition. — GRWelsh
1. Make a strong fact/value distinction, as per Hume.
2. Establish the scientific method with truth as the only and unquestionable value. — unenlightened
but atheists create ideas, including ideas about fundamentalism. — Moliere
The OP is strictly speaking about atheist dogma — Moliere
So critical intelligence is the cause of literal-minded ignorance? Freethinking causes unthinking violence? Logical thinking causes magical thinking? The decentering Mediocrity Principle & Darwinian Evolution cause reactionary Manichaean conspiracies & "end of days" cults? "Atheism" has caused the Christian blood libel of Jews, the Crusades against Muslims, millennia of Hindu castes, well over a millennium of pogroms persecutions tortures and executions of indigenous heathens, "heretics", Jews, Gypsies, "witches", homosexuals, et al culminating in cyclical fraternal blood orgies aka "Wars of Religion" principly in Europe & the Middle East? then modern day Jihadi & Zionist terrorisms? and all In The Name Of God ... "because of the infidels"?! :eyes: — 180 Proof
The basic movement then would be from Religion/culture to science (as "religion") + religion + "culture". And from Selves to "selves". But "selves" always long to be Selves and in order to do that there must be a movement back to Religion/culture (fundamentalism). — Baden
My grandma, who was born in the 1880's, was a typical European Christian of her time. In the 1970's she told me no one had ever gotten to the moon because God and heaven 'are in the sky and people can't get there until they die' — Tom Storm
I don't place Granny outside the time period described by unenlightened in his reference to the rise of Christian fundamentalism. — Hanover
From a broader perspective though the way I see the process is that Religion was culture; then it became politics; then it became science. Culture itself was fundamentalist in isolated groups and Religion couldn't be separated from it. In order to have a Self at all, you believed and your belief was your Self. There was no other option or reality. — Baden
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