Even the definition of consciousness is vague and many have different views on just what is conscious and what isn't. Consciousness seems obviously something that gradually increases and there isn't this one thing, one detail that switches consciousness on or off like a switch.The transition from unconscious algorithmic to conscious thinking seems to be vague and might even be variable. After all, you can consciously rationally follow back a standard working method that fails and see where the algorithmic method goes wrong. — Ypan1944
Does it?How does consciousness emerge from a algorithmic basis? — Ypan1944
The transition from unconscious algorithmic to conscious thinking — Ypan1944
Consciousness seems obviously something that gradually increases and there isn't this one thing, one detail that switches consciousness on or off like a switch. — ssu
Only when that method fails due to accidental circumstances our consciousness will take action to correct our actions. — Ypan1944
I am interested in the transition from unconscious algorithmic thinking to conscious thinking. How does consciousness emerge from a algorithmic basis?
Of course, many people disagree with Penrose, but at least the debate shows that the question of the algorithmic nature of consciousness is, well, debatable.
The only reason its controversial to think that physical combinations of matter and energy can have consciousness is because people think there is a soul — Philosophim
Meaning yes, its quite possible for us to program consciousness into a computer, though that consciousness may not expressly ever be human. — Philosophim
Given that 'soul' is a translation from the Greek 'psyche', and that 'psyche' can also be translated as 'mind', do you think that people have minds? — Wayfarer
Meaning yes, its quite possible for us to program consciousness into a computer, though that consciousness may not expressly ever be human.
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So you're saying that if we take a collection of electronic switches and turn them on and off in some particular sequence, consciousness will emerge? That begs all sorts of interesting questions. — RogueAI
Yes, just like if we take a bunch of cells and have them constantly shift into different states they'll have consciousness as well. Your brain proves it quite easily. When matter and energy are organized in a particular way, they will exhibit a pattern we call consciousness. You are a living example of this. Your degree of consciousness is one of the most powerful of the living beings on this planet. — Philosophim
But you're assuming here that brains produce consciousness. — RogueAI
I think the idea of machine consciousness should make us question the currently prevalent belief that brains cause consciousness. — RogueAI
Let me ask you: if you didn't know anything about brains, would you think that turning switches on and off in a certain way can lead to consciousness? — RogueAI
You have a lot to present if you're going to deny that consciousness comes from the brain. — Philosophim
My argument is very simple: brain consciousness leads to machine consciousness and machine consciousness is an absurdity — RogueAI
What you think is neural causation is neural correlation. It's the old, correlation is not causation. — RogueAI
Another option is to ask for the proof that machine consciousness is an absurdity. Matter is conscious. We don't know how it is accomplished, so can't know in which mediums it can and cannot be accomplished.Now, you can attack my argument by claiming either belief in brain consciousness doesn't commit one to belief in machine consciousness, or that machine consciousness is not an absurdity. Which option do you like? — RogueAI
I think when people start uploading videos of themselves abusing AGI humanoid robots, there's going to be a reaction. — RogueAI
How do you define consciousness? Is a baby infant conscious? Is a chimpanzee? A spider? An amoeba?It seems to me that consciousness, conceptually, is exactly something on/off. Something either has experiences or it doesn't, I don't see a middle ground. A middle ground just doesn't fit the concept. — bert1
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