So, I am asking, how do you see the 'self' as coexisting as subject and object? — Jack Cummins
"Self" is a confabulated, continuously sensory-updated, virtual model of this-body-moving-within-its-world.So, I am asking, how do you see the 'self' as coexisting as subject and object? — Jack Cummins
how do you see the 'self' as coexisting as subject and object? — Jack Cummins
So, I am asking, how do you see the 'self' as coexisting as subject and object? — Jack Cummins
No need to take the distinction too seriously. It’s not how we see ourselves most of the time anyway. — Mikie
I see that such coexistence is not the case, under a certain set of preconditions. Consciousness of self as subject is very far from a cognition of self as object. — Mww
Would any notion of self be possible without the ability to experience self as object? That is to say, to recognize that there are other selves, of which the ‘I’ is just one more? — Joshs
Would any notion of self be possible without the ability to experience self as object? — Joshs
The notion of the possibility of self makes no sense, insofar as the even the inception of it presupposes what is asked about — Mww
What changes would be required in your thinking about what the self is in order for the possibility of self to make sense? — Joshs
The changes required, then, reduce to the fact that I do not actually think in the way that seems to me to be the case. Hence…..psychology on the one hand and cognitive neuroscience on the other. — Mww
When I dissect the process expressed in the proposition ‘I think,' I get a whole set of bold claims that are difficult, perhaps impossible, to establish, – for instance, that I am the one who is thinking, that there must be something that is thinking in the first place, that thinking is an activity and the effect of a being who is considered the cause, that there is an ‘I,' and finally, that it has already been determined what is meant by thinking, – that I know what thinking is.”
Are you saying that cognitive neuroscience is misguided? — Joshs
We only know of thinking as something organisms do. — Srap Tasmaner
I act the same no matter where I’m at, same with others, so how do they explain that. — Darkneos
I think you’re mistaken. I said I behave same no matter where I go, that “same” being who I am which is considerate. — Darkneos
It’s also weird you’re calling it unresponsive to the situation like there is some objectively correct way to respond to situations. — Darkneos
All the world’s a stage,
And all the men and women merely players;
They have their exits and their entrances,
And one man in his time plays many parts,
His acts being seven ages. At first, the infant,
Mewling and puking in the nurse’s arms.
Then the whining schoolboy, with his satchel
And shining morning face, creeping like snail
Unwillingly to school. And then the lover,
Sighing like furnace, with a woeful ballad
Made to his mistress’ eyebrow. Then a soldier,
Full of strange oaths and bearded like the pard,
Jealous in honor, sudden and quick in quarrel,
Seeking the bubble reputation
Even in the cannon’s mouth. And then the justice,
In fair round belly with good capon lined,
With eyes severe and beard of formal cut,
Full of wise saws and modern instances;
And so he plays his part. The sixth age shifts
Into the lean and slippered pantaloon,
With spectacles on nose and pouch on side;
His youthful hose, well saved, a world too wide
For his shrunk shank, and his big manly voice,
Turning again toward childish treble, pipes
And whistles in his sound. Last scene of all,
That ends this strange eventful history,
Is second childishness and mere oblivion,
Sans teeth, sans eyes, sans taste, sans everything. — Shakespeare
A parallax (or strange loop) e.g. mine or my corresponds to "self as subject" and yours or his/her corresponds to "self as object", no?... the 'self' as coexisting as subject and object? — Jack Cummins
I only know of thinking as something of which I do, the negation of which is impossible — Mww
Sometimes I sits and thinks. Sometimes I just sits.
you don't really mean it's inconceivable that you are not thinking…… — Srap Tasmaner
….you mean it's impossible for you to think, "I am not thinking" — Srap Tasmaner
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