The dream to do X is conceptual and there is anything inherently different about this desire other than cultural cues which is my point. — schopenhauer1
The fear of infertility is far more visceral and less intellectual than the desire to fly or be famous. It's often a consuming obsession like religion and patriotism. Those widely-held obsessions drive a good deal of human behaviour, both individual and collective. — Vera Mont
There is nothing inherent in the desire for (children). — schopenhauer1
Also, the loss of it, is not going to implode our psychological makeup and make us bomb-throwing nihilists or even suicidals. — schopenhauer1
That just makes it a shared grief, which can quite possibly lead to mass hysteria - which can end anywhere.And anyways, that fear isn't really a thing if the very achievement is no longer an option for anyone — schopenhauer1
Then why do stags and rams bash one another's brains out for the privilege? Why do peacocks and lyre birds encumber themselves with those ridiculous tails? The genetic imperative is far, far older than humans. True, we have produced some individuals who resist the impulse and even a few who never experience it at all, but I think we are a minority. And you're right, I can't prove it. — Vera Mont
That just makes it a shared grief, which can quite possibly lead to mass hysteria - which can end anywhere. — Vera Mont
How would that work? Chimpanzees do it instinctively, but then humans come along, have forgotten all about the instinct that drives so much animal behaviour, yet desire to perform an act for pleasure that they have to learn? From where would a culture materialize, if people didn't already reproduce? Why would religions surround this one activity with so much taboo if people were devoid of the animal drive?As per the EP thread, the process for reproduction is largely learned, not innate. — schopenhauer1
Because birds and mammals display various elaborate behaviors, that must mean our elaborate behaviors come from the same origin. — schopenhauer1
How can we really compare? — schopenhauer1
I'm not comparing behaviours; I'm pointing out the evolutionary antecedents. Having a greater degree of cognitive flexibility doesn't exempt an entire species from biology. — Vera Mont
But that is selecting for cultural practice rather than biological cognitive module. — schopenhauer1
his is where I quote Socrates on knowing — schopenhauer1
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