I guess I've always rejected idealism in all its forms, be it Berkeleyan, or transcendental or absolute.
Which means, I suppose, that I have always subscribed to some brand of realism, if one must fall into one of these two camps to some extent. — Brian
If we're going down this line where altered states of consciousness (which dreaming is) is proof then why isn't being drunk vs being sober also evidence? There is an obvious phenomenal difference between the two. — JupiterJess
I think dreams are evidence the waking experience is not [what] we think it is. I believe it is just a continuation of the same ontological sort but with the sensory inputs combined into it... if you focus on the between the waking moment or going into sleep you can actually feel the change first hand. — JupiterJess
...dreams are neither sufficient evidence nor arguments for the truth of 'idealism'...We could, of course, discuss the nature of dreams, whether they have anything to do with the nature of reality and so on... — jkop
The question though, is a question for the lucid dreamer who has control over the dream. How can one have control over what is happening in the dream, yet still believe that what is being seen in the dream is as real as what is seen in waking like? Wouldn't having control over it make it like a daydream? And in a daydream I know that what I am daydreaming is not real, because I have control over it. — Metaphysician Undercover
What do you mean by "parallel to waking experience"? Daydreaming occurs while one is awake, it is an awake experience — Metaphysician Undercover
OK, so planning, thinking, conceptualizing, contemplation, and things like this are not waking experience, because they are not perceptual experience. I assume that they are "parallel to waking experience", like daydreaming. Is this what you mean by "parallel to waking experience", activity of the awake mind, which is not involved in perceptual experience? — Metaphysician Undercover
I've always had trouble pinning down precisely what absolute idealism IS so I would love to hear your thoughts on this. — Brian
I would speculate that the dream state is very close to what it may seem like after death.. — Rich
This is similar to Hamlet's speculation about death.
Conceivably relatively soon after death.
But, of course, before long, there can't any longer be that much detail in the person's perception or experience. — Michael Ossipoff
.Conceivably relatively soon after death.
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But, of course, before long, there can't any longer be that much detail in the person's perception or experience.
This depends upon one's concept of the mind, which I perceive as memory embedded in a holographic universe. The brain within this access scenario is just acting as a reference/reconstruction generator of external memory (what is out there). What is perceived as private memory still exists, possibly as a personal dreamlike condition not dependent upon a brain.
.What is perceived as private memory still exists, possibly as a personal dreamlike condition not dependent upon a brain.
It’s agreed by all that, for each person, there’s a body. That’s what there’s undeniable evidence for. There’s really no evidence that we are anything other than our body. — Michael Ossipoff
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