No. We haven't yet outgrown religion, politics or science, all of which require critical analyses and reflective interpretations.Has our civilization evolved to the point where philosophy can be dispensed with? — Pantagruel
I suppose it depends on where, what and why one studies.[H]as philosophy moved from being an "outlier" to a superfluous branch of study?
Yes.Does philosophy still contribute?
Yes.When you are reading it, do you feel you are contributing?
Whatever light the philosopher brings to the cave it remains a cave. The transformation brought about by philosophy is self-transformation. — Fooloso4
The end of 'metaphysics' is argued in certain theses. Well, there they are, to be discussed. — Paine
No. We haven't outgrown yet religion, politics or science, all of which require critical analyses and reflective interpretations. — 180 Proof
How philosophy is thought of today, as one academic subject of many, taught by those with Ph.D.s, who mainly discuss the history of the great thinkers and great books…yeah, this professionalization is basically irrelevant today. May it die out sooner than later — Mikie
But Nietzsche's "real philosopher" would "set aside the previous labour of all philosophical workers." — Leontiskos
They determine first the Whither and the Why of mankind, and thereby ...
The question then is whether in determining the whither and why of mankind the philosophers would pull in the same or different directions. — Fooloso4
Is asking universal questions irrelevant, for example? I don’t think so. I think we need it more than ever.
How philosophy is thought of today, as one academic subject of many, taught by those with Ph.D.s, who mainly discuss the history of the great thinkers and great books…yeah, this professionalization is basically irrelevant today. — Mikie
However the technologization of our culture is in danger of fatally marginalizing philosophical values. If it can even be called a culture anymore. — Pantagruel
Knowledge brings change. This acknowledgement is at the root of our hybrid culture. This hybrid is not the culture of either of its roots. Technology changes culture. In doing so it some of the old culture is destroyed, but I don't think that means the end of culture. — Fooloso4
I do feel philosophical studies form part of the balanced project of the advancement of human knowledge, but that has to be ratified on an ongoing basis by collective will and consensus. What hope is there in a shattered milieu of alternative facts? — Pantagruel
But the celebration of pluralism essentially defines universal consensus as an archaic concept. There is no longer any interest in an "overarching truth". — Pantagruel
But isn't the essence of culture its values? — Pantagruel
In a world with actual physics and cosmology, psychology and neuroscience, sociology and anthropology and linguistics, what philosophy has to offer on the nature of reality or thought or human social life is, shall we say, quaint. — Srap Tasmaner
We haven't outgrown yet religion, politics or science, all of which require critical analyses and reflective interpretations. — 180 Proof
I think there's maybe a default tech-worshipping pragmatism where a philosophy 'should' be but never actually was. — plaque flag
I think there's something presumptuous about philosophers, who lack the expertise and knowledge, however flawed and limited, of a field's practitioners, swooping in to pass judgment on their work. Better to cultivate the practice of critique among the producers of knowledge
The whereto is not oriented to be being but to becoming. This might mean not only divergence but convergence. — Fooloso4
the input of a professional ethicist I found to be valuable — LuckyR
It seems to me that if the becoming has no end then there can be no ultimate convergence. — Leontiskos
if the becoming has no end then there can be no ultimate convergence — Leontiskos
Some envision progress as the movement toward universal agreement. — Fooloso4
We're talking about the thesis that philosophy has a determinate pull (link). Saying, "There will always be points of divergence and points of convergence [among philosophers]" doesn't seem to help us in addressing that thesis. — Leontiskos
But isn't this what keeps philosophy alive as an independent discipline? Without that, doesn't it become just a theme? — Pantagruel
If the direction is determined statistically, we're just talking about evolution... — Srap Tasmaner
the professionalization of academia and the economic changes of specialized “jobs” has been internalized by nearly everyone, to the point where general inquiry and thoughtfulness is compartmentalized unnecessarily. — Mikie
The point being: the names are fine for ordinary life and convenience. But we shouldn’t take them too seriously. Nearly everyone has the potential to “do” philosophy. It’s just a particular kind of thinking — Mikie
This was, relatively speaking, an outsider to your field?
I'd heard that "ethicist" is a profession now. Was their expertise helpful? Can you describe that for us a little?
We're talking about the thesis that philosophy has a determinate pull (link). Saying, "There will always be points of divergence and points of convergence [among philosophers]," doesn't seem to help us in addressing that thesis. — Leontiskos
there is an important sense in which philosophy was never relevant. — Leontiskos
... philosophy produces a cumulative effect on society, — Leontiskos
...the world moves in that "philosophical" direction. — Leontiskos
... the diremption of philosophy and science since Bacon ... — Pantagruel
Science discovery should be driven not just by the quest for intellectual enlightenment, but also for the relief of man’s estate ...
My third maxim was to try always to master myself rather than fortune, and to change my desires rather than the order of the world. (Discourse on Method)
The modern philosophers gave themselves a task not entertained by the ancients, to master nature. Philosophy was no longer about the problem of how to live but to solve problems by changing the conditions of life. — Fooloso4
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