There is a kind of understanding that requires a transformation in the knower, that can only be known first-person. — Quixodian
So it might seem 'mystical or esoteric' in the absence of that. — Quixodian
So, I think the answer is, 'very many', and I think it's directly related to the loss of the vertical dimension, the qualitative dimension. — Quixodian
I'm certainly frustrated with a lot of what passes as philosophy in our society. — Quixodian
All our turned toward reality in its fullness, correcting scientism without embracing irrationalism. I can only think they don't interest you as much as they might because they aren't esoteric. — plaque flag
there's a real tension between that and liberal democracies. — Quixodian
hat reminds me of something we discussed previously, in an essay by Edward Conze about perennial philosophy - the belief that 'as far as worth-while knowledge is concerned not all men are equal, but that there is a hierarchy of persons, some of whom, through what they are, can know much more than others; that there is a hierarchy also of the levels of reality, some of which are more "real," because more exalted than others.' — Quixodian
in the sphere of ethics, or the qualitative dimension, we have a kind of view that all opinions about it are equal. — Quixodian
Fair enough. A quick Googling has me saying that makes sense.I came into philosophy through the Adyar Bookshop. — Quixodian
Another victim of the mighty Amazon. — Quixodian
Consider: rationality (logic) - quality (ideal) - energy (affect). It presents rationality as mutually fundamental, while also allowing for its limitations and doing away with humanism and its hubris without ‘suffocating’ our capacity. And it’s simultaneously dynamic, stable and symmetrical.
— Possibility
I'd be glad to hear more about this. I neglected it at first as I was caught up defending my 'flat' metaphor. — plaque flag
I will say, Vervaeke’s lectures are bringing it all together for me - lashings of phenomenology, cognitive science, and sapiential wisdom teachings. — Quixodian
The Adyar Bookshops had an unmistakable atmosphere, incense-scented, full of mystical tomes and tidings. — Quixodian
I should add that it's only flat in the sense that nothing is stacked on anything else. It's given as an entire blanket. Entities and categories get their meaning structurally, relationally. People still value things differently. But this need not appear in the logical structure. I'm intentionally leaving the details unspecified. I want to give only the skeleton, leave out everything that's contingent.
Any postulated higher beings would have to be justified in the rational conversation. Basically rationality itself is god in this basically humanist conception. But what humans are is largely what they determine themselves to be. — plaque flag
Any logical structure consists of variables - some kind of differentiation - otherwise you’re talking a singularity, the unintelligible absolute, which can only be relation itself.
For a rational conversation, you need rationality (logical structure), an assumption of embodied intra-action, AND qualitative variability (difference).
To posit rationality as god precludes the embodied intra-action from ‘determining’ themselves to be rational. — Possibility
But do you see how that's self-cancelling relativism ? If you argue for it, then that's just 'your' logic, no ?Problem is that there is no one rational understanding. Humanity is diverse. — Janus
Valid argument can be mounted from any premise you like, soundness (in the case of metaphysical arguments at least) is undecidable. — Janus
It seems to me that you are ultimately arguing that argument is not decisive. — plaque flag
I hope you are offering more than the reminder that we could always be wrong, that life is not just about logic. — plaque flag
But do you see how that's self-cancelling relativism ? If you argue for it, then that's just 'your' logic, no ? — plaque flag
I like your posts by the way, so I don't mean to come off rude. — plaque flag
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