Well that was easy Agree to Disagree
What's your next trick? — frank
I am not sure what you mean by that Frank.
Please explain it to a foolish old man. — Agree to Disagree
You're off the hook for climate change. :up: — frank
I believe that people need to take personal responsibility for their own carbon footprint. — Agree to Disagree
British Petroleum, the second largest non-state owned oil company in the world, with 18,700 gas and service stations worldwide, hired the public relations professionals Ogilvy & Mather to promote the slant that climate change is not the fault of an oil giant, but that of individuals. It’s here that British Petroleum, or BP, first promoted and soon successfully popularized the term “carbon footprint” in the early aughts. The company unveiled its “carbon footprint calculator” in 2004 so one could assess how their normal daily life – going to work, buying food, and (gasp) traveling – is largely responsible for heating the globe.
Underlying this is a conflict in how we imagine ourselves, as consumers or as citizens. Consumers define themselves by what they buy, own, watch – or don’t. Citizens see themselves as part of civil society, as actors in the political system (and by citizen I don’t mean people who hold citizenship status, but those who participate, as noncitizens often do quite powerfully). Too, even personal virtue is made more or less possible by the systems that surround us. If you have solar panels on your roof, it’s because there’s a market and manufacturers for solar and installers and maybe an arrangement with your power company to compensate you for energy you’re putting into the grid. — Mikie
Oil companies just supply us with what we demand. — Agree to Disagree
To make it clear (with no sarcasm), I believe that people need to take personal responsibility for their own carbon footprint.
If Mikie and other people like him won't take personal responsibility for their own carbon footprint, then why should I.
Oil companies just supply us with what we demand. We are "oil addicts" who are blaming the suppliers for giving us what we want. I blame supermarkets for making people fat. — Agree to Disagree
I agree with you. I assume your point is that if the average person doesn't limit consumption, that makes your efforts to do so meaningless? — frank
Yes, it is almost totally meaningless. And it is totally negligible. Why should I limit my consumption for something that is totally negligible.
It also does not seem like "justice" that I make an effort when most other people don't. — Agree to Disagree
"Earth Just Had Its Hottest Month Ever. How Six Cities Are Coping." — RogueAI
"Earth Just Had Its Hottest Month Ever. How Six Cities Are Coping."
https://www.wsj.com/articles/july-2023-hottest-month-record-climate-change-5e5b3097
Interesting seeing that headline in the WSJ. That would have been unthinkable 15 years ago. — RogueAI
Now count the number of states that had their record high temperature BEFORE 1970. For those who don't want to do the counting, the answer is 36.
8 states had their record high temperature between 1911 and 1929.
24 states had their record high temperature in the 1930's. The 1930's were very hot in America.
What do people think that this data means? — Agree to Disagree
I distinctly get the impression you're not arguing in good faith. — Benkei
I didn't say what I thought the data means. I just asked, "What do people think that this data means?". — Agree to Disagree
Global warming isn't about extremes (but could be possible consequence in certain local situations) but global averages. So that data means zilch. Use this instead: https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/
As to your earlier comment about fears of an ice age. Here's a nice read: https://longreads.com/2017/04/13/in-1975-newsweek-predicted-a-new-ice-age-were-still-living-with-the-consequences/ — Benkei
I didn't say what I thought the data means. I just asked, "What do people think that this data means?". — Agree to Disagree
“Just asking questions.” How about this: take 10 seconds and ask the following QUESTION: “Have I just discovered something climate scientists the world over have missed, or am I just deluding myself?” — Mikie
“Why haven't climate scientists told people about this data?".
A second QUESTION: "Is this data an inconvenient truth?". — Agree to Disagree
The climate scientists aren’t telling people about the data YOU “discovered” — Mikie
When dealing with record maximum temperatures and record minimum temperatures there are only 2 datapoints per year per state. 2 datapoints is all that is needed. If you don't understand that then you need to do a mathematics or statistics course. — Agree to Disagree
It is great that you have looked on the internet and found the webpage on statewide time-series. I haven't had time to look at it yet but I will try to look at it in the next day or two. — Agree to Disagree
while ordering 26,000 datapoints across 216 countries - except... checks notes... there are only 195 countries in the world recognised by every other country — Benkei
It is great that you have looked on the internet and found the webpage on statewide time-series. — Agree to Disagree
You were lying here when pretending you weren't aware this data was on the website you used for your min-max temperatures, which is what I was referring to. — Benkei
The data that I showed people was compiled by scientists/climate scientists. I didn't compile the data. — Agree to Disagree
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